Indycool, Where art thou?

I do think is to sick, I thought it was to sick the last 2 CC seasons, that is why it breaks my heart to see the numbers, as I said, I´m not seeing any errors or mistakes this year, I knew how ratings would look like, but i Can´t se those numbers without thinking it is late for us, but I may be wrong, I´m not an expert or a seer, que será, será.

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Originally Posted by jarrambide

I´m not an expert or a seer, que será, será.

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I think the proper use for that phrase is now que Sarah, Sarah. Right Ken?

Gary

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Can´t make it to Indy, last week(Friday) I was playing with my indoor soccer team (we play in a league here in Houston, Arsenal we call ourselves), I had a double clavicle fracture, my left hand will be immobilized fo 5 more weeks and hopefully the bones will fuse right and I will noy need surgery, typing with only one hand, staying in bed after work and weekends suck big time and my wife just informed me that I will never receive permission to be a keeper again, all I can say is thank you pain killers, one day I forgot to take the afternoon pill in time, bloody pain.

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Outch! Hope you feel better soon.

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The actual state of OWR in the US, I am sure they are a bunch of real steps in the right direction but I have seen so many bad years that it saddens me to see the ratings, the attendance, the problems, seeing those numbers breaks my heart and makes me think it may be late to save OWR in the US, I can live with F1, I´m a huge F1 fan, I watch every race live, but I like attending races, I nees a series in tne US.

Can you see my point?, I can see those steps and at the same time be angry and complain about the actual state, even if I knew we would get those numbers this year.

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No I don't see your point. I don't think its fair to accuse the "state" of openwheel for limiting your positive judgments of the series.

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not accusing, not saying you are being evil or trying to take over the world, but been there, done that for so many years, I am tired of trying to be super exrea ultra optimist, of trying to find the positive on everything, of making excuses.

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I've been around these boards as long as anybody and have been called just about everything. The last thing I would consider myself is an optimist. I call a spade a spade. There is plenty wrong with the IRL and I am not afraid to point out that long shopping list. But like I said a few posts back, for the first time in a very very long time I see some positive steps being made in the right direction for a change. The IRL and Champ Car/CART have bungled so much up over the last few years that its refreshing to finally see some changes that I feel will be made for the good. I hardly think that is being an "optimist" or wearing rose colored glasses.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Since this seems to be a Moddy's permission to dig into the past, what I believe you are saying Jose is OW may be too sick to survive in a form where it can attract top talent? That is what I am reading into it.

Unlike Ken/Sarah Fan, I choose not to see this TV deal as the end of the world, but I will admit I wish they had better ratings. That said, ESPN/ABC is bent on getting their NASCAR vehicles promoted and will pay only some lip service from now on to their Indy Car coverage. That sucks. The fact no other US networks want to step up outside of VS sucks.

Hell, it all sucks. That said, we cant live in the past. What has been done is done. I don't see what the IRL could have done differently in the last year. That isn't spin boys, that is just the reality. They went out and got the best deal they could. They are not surprised at the low numbers, because VS has a low household reach. As long as they draw AT the track, and the Indy 500 numbers keep advertisers on the teams as sponsors, then we can go somewhere. It is going to be a rough couple of years. NASCAR is the 800 lb gorilla of motorsport in America now, and the CART/IRL war of 1995 was the reason why this gorilla got such a lead. If OW racing as we know it dies, I wont be heartbroken, I can go do something else. I watch more NASCAR now myself, and I love my sportscar racing.

What bothers me tho is those who keep bouncing up and down on this topic WEEK AFTER WEEK as if someone was spinning this as good news. No one that I can tell is really doing that. VS is putting out a pretty good TV product that many are not watching. Maybe that is our fate, but I don't see this one as Tony's malfesence or stupidity. THAT was 14 years ago my friends.....that ship sailed.....

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We seem to be on the same page Mark. What is more encouraging for me besides the quality of the broadcast and the fact Scott Goodyear is gone, is that Versus is actually making a full blown attempt to promote the series and work towards increasing the viewership. That is something I have been waiting for, wishing for and hoping for, for the last, well, since the split, and finally their is a broadcaster that seems to be truly working as a "partner". That is the part that I think Ken doesn't get or chooses to ignore, or thinks that there are only 10 people watching the network so it doesn't matter anyway.

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I do think is to sick, I thought it was to sick the last 2 CC seasons, that is why it breaks my heart to see the numbers, as I said, I´m not seeing any errors or mistakes this year, I knew how ratings would look like, but i Can´t se those numbers without thinking it is late for us, but I may be wrong, I´m not an expert or a seer, que será, será.

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How can you even begin to think its to late? That is just nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

How can you even begin to think its to late? That is just nonsense.

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Because I remember CART in their glory days, and I remember CART last seasons and I remember the split years and the awfuk state of CC and the IRL and I see the state of IndyCar and the state of our economy and I just can´t keep thinking that the next yeat will be the year that will make the difference.

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Because I remember CART in their glory days, and I remember CART last seasons and I remember the split years and the awfuk state of CC and the IRL and I see the state of IndyCar and the state of our economy and I just can´t keep thinking that the next yeat will be the year that will make the difference.

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Who said anything about the next year making the difference?

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Who said anything about the next year making the difference?

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Me, I have been saying it for 6 years, and pretty much every new year has been worst than the previous one, I just don´t see how to improve this with Versus, I do get how ESPN was doing nothing for us, but because I see that our 2 options are delivering a crappy production to everyone with cable or delivering a good production to a fraction of cable users in a channel with historically low ratings is why I think it is late, lets hope I´m wrong.

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Me, I have been saying it for 6 years, and pretty much every new year has been worst than the previous one, I just don´t see how to improve this with Versus, I do get how ESPN was doing nothing for us, but because I see that our 2 options are delivering a crappy production to everyone with cable or delivering a good production to a fraction of cable users in a channel with historically low ratings is why I think it is late, lets hope I´m wrong.

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Here is where guys like you and Ken drive me crazy with your logic.

What's better? To have a pool of a million potential viewers and a broadcaster who isn't willing to try and attract any. Or a pool of 225,000 viewers and a broadcaster who is willing to try and attract as many of them as possible.

Is a 1.0 not a 1.0 regardless of what network it is achieved on? Who says Versus is not capable of attracting a large audience? Apparently Ken says so.