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29th November 2008, 18:08
donKey jote

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

LOL!
I can't argue with that.

I could... if the original post you quoted were still there :p

:dozey:

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30th November 2008, 22:06
truefan72

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Interesting take!
However, IMHO Fred will arrive at Ferrari and proceed to break out a serious can of Whip-@$$,
regardless of who is in the other car!

I will never doubt his capabilities or the fact that he would probably win a good number of races with Ferrari. ( as he did with McLaren and finished tied for 2nd with LH)

It is the backroom drama and teamate dynamics that comes into question. If he has matured and can see that having another strong driver alongside him only benefits the team as a whole, then good. But if he insists on going the MS route, then expect to see luca badoer driving the 2nd car during his time at Ferrari.
1st December 2008, 02:03
Tazio

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Originally Posted by truefan72

I will never doubt his capabilities or the fact that he would probably win a good number of races with Ferrari. ( as he did with McLaren and finished tied for 2nd with LH)

Very high probability.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

It is the backroom drama and teamate dynamics that comes into question. If he has matured and can see that having another strong driver alongside him only benefits the team as a whole, then good

That situation is a big fat one off! 2007 at McLaren, all things considered was simply a perfect storm! I think he learned a tough lesson there,
is more mature, and a much bigger man for it!

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Originally Posted by truefan72

But if he insists on going the MS route..

, Well if you mean by being so dominant in a great car that he helped to develope. He diminishes F1 competition so dramatically it resultsin a rule change in point allotment that is IMO absurdly inequitable. Then Yes I think Fred may pull that kind of a MS! Eespecially in the car developement arena

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Originally Posted by truefan72

then expect to see luca badoer driving the 2nd car during his time at Ferrari...

Badoer, Klien, Trulli, Ant, Lewis, Montoya, Mansell, Sir Jackie. As long as they are sitting in a Ferrari F1 Contender I'm pulling for them.
Yea maybe after he has a falling out at the big "M", Lewis, and Fred could do a Reunion Tour courtesy of Ferrari!
It's all good as far as I'm concerned! :)
1st December 2008, 06:42
leopard

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Badoer, Klien, Trulli, Ant, Lewis, Montoya, Mansell, Sir Jackie. As long as they are sitting in a Ferrari F1 Contender I'm pulling for them.

Who's Ant? I think Sato-san was better. ;)
1st December 2008, 07:19
Tazio

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Originally Posted by leopardsleeping

Who's Ant? I think Sato-san was better. ;)

Feel free to ad him to the list :) While we're at I would like to add N. Lauda to it as well.
I believe he still has the fire to compete at this level :dozey:
1st December 2008, 11:27
PolePosition_1

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Originally Posted by ioan

My bad, I'm working on it but it will need time to change. ;)

Honestly, I believe that all they did was to adapt to the realities of the sport. As did the other teams, cause we can't say that McLaren, Williams, Renault and BMW (all race winning team in the last decade) didn't do it in the same time.
I believe that they gave equal treatment when the drivers were equal (see Alesi vs Berger, and the Ferrari's were race winning cars back than too (not every other race but still winners).

IMO it always boiled down to the drivers capabilities if they were about equal they got equal chances if not than the chances were proportional to the talent and rightly so.

See, I actually agree with everything that you say there, all of it is correct.

Point I make is that no other teams purposely get a "second rate" driver to support its top driver. Someone posted a list of all of Schumachers team-mates recently, not one great (bar Piquet who was like DH in 99). Schumacher, albeit totally allowed and able to do it because of his huge talent, was able to dictate his team mate, and never really challenged himself in this respect. And whilst all teams have at some point or another used team orders, none to the extint we saw with Schumacher at Ferrari and Bennetton since I been watching F1.

To be fair, his and Ferrari approach worked amazingly well. They dominated the sport. And it was fully legal, and so they were fully entitled to do it.

But for me, with my views to sport, it was an unsporting approach.
1st December 2008, 12:36
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

See, I actually agree with everything that you say there, all of it is correct.

Point I make is that no other teams purposely get a "second rate" driver to support its top driver. Someone posted a list of all of Schumachers team-mates recently, not one great (bar Piquet who was like DH in 99). Schumacher, albeit totally allowed and able to do it because of his huge talent, was able to dictate his team mate, and never really challenged himself in this respect. And whilst all teams have at some point or another used team orders, none to the extint we saw with Schumacher at Ferrari and Bennetton since I been watching F1.

To be fair, his and Ferrari approach worked amazingly well. They dominated the sport. And it was fully legal, and so they were fully entitled to do it.

But for me, with my views to sport, it was an unsporting approach.

Exactly. (although I would suggest that the last sentence could say "against the spirit of the sport" rather than unsporting)

MS may very well be the best racing driver of all time but for the reasons mentioned, and some controversial driving behaviour, will never be universally recognised as such which is a real shame.
1st December 2008, 12:40
ioan

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

MS may very well be the best racing driver of all time but for the reasons mentioned, and some controversial driving behaviour, will never be universally recognised as such which is a real shame.

Don't worry for him, he's fine! ;)

Seriously, none of the sportsmen that dominated sports, the way MS did with F1, will ever be universally recognized as such, they all have detractors.
1st December 2008, 12:41
ioan

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

See, I actually agree with everything that you say there, all of it is correct.

Point I make is that no other teams purposely get a "second rate" driver to support its top driver. Someone posted a list of all of Schumachers team-mates recently, not one great (bar Piquet who was like DH in 99). Schumacher, albeit totally allowed and able to do it because of his huge talent, was able to dictate his team mate, and never really challenged himself in this respect. And whilst all teams have at some point or another used team orders, none to the extint we saw with Schumacher at Ferrari and Bennetton since I been watching F1.

To be fair, his and Ferrari approach worked amazingly well. They dominated the sport. And it was fully legal, and so they were fully entitled to do it.

But for me, with my views to sport, it was an unsporting approach.

Fair comment! :up:
1st December 2008, 14:54
Mark

It is indeed fair comment that it is unsporting. But personally I think it's just using the way the sport is structured to your own (and the teams) best advantage. If you have one driver who is faster than the other it makes sense to concentrate on them and have the other in a backup role.

Has to be said again that if Ferrari had concentrated on Massa from day one in 2008, he would be champion, no doubt.

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