Glock/Toyota paid off to slow on the last lap?[merged]

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

oh, hell.

can't someone just win and someone just lose the championship around here?

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No, it's time to start the off-season complaining, conspiracies and "ifs" :)

o god

if u look at glocks car as he pulls away goin up the hill you will clearly see he was wiggling allover the place havin probs getin his tyres to grip.

im personly gutted massa didnt win it but im happy a brit did and so should all of you.

hamilton drive fabtastic all season so congrats to him for making a dream come true

all as did massa maybe 2009 will be massa year.

championship was settled in a fantastic race full of drama and racing end of

role on 2009 season

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Originally Posted by christophulus

Of all the things that could be said about that race, I never thought this would be one of them! McLaren paid off Toyota? Got a bank transfer done on the final lap did they?

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Maybe they used PayPal??? ;)

I'm not a Hamilton fan and I was hoping for Massa, but the season couldn't have ended with any more suspense!

As for Glock (and Trulli), I suspect that he had been on his dries for awhile and they had probably lost what little traction they had. You wouldn't need more rain on the last lap, just less grip. Or, is that too simple?

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Originally Posted by bowers

Try reading, nowhere in this thread have I said Glock was on rains... it's common knowledge he was on dry tires on his last stint. He was setting faster lap times on all but that last lap on his dry tires!!!

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Because the rain started falling down heavily and the track was suddenly too wet for slicks?

Some people just feed on conspiracies :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bowers

He lost over 15 seconds on that last lap and seemingly slowed down right at the very last corner to a snails pace. Does anyone else find that worthy of some kind of inquest. It smells extremely fishy.

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I can reveal, without any fear of contradiction, that Tony Soprano made Glock an offer that was too good to refuse.

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Originally Posted by bowers

Try reading, nowhere in this thread have I said Glock was on rains... it's common knowledge he was on dry tires on his last stint. He was setting faster lap times on all but that last lap on his dry tires!!! .

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well, i was reading. it just seemed that, instead of a conspiracy theory, the bleeding obvious needed to be stated. Occum's Razor (the hypothesis containing the fewest assumptions will almost certainly be the correct one) and all that.

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Originally Posted by bowers

Put your bias aside and think about it... at this point in time we don't know if he went off track (also a high possibility) but if he didn't, losing 15+ seconds on the last lap to a guy that was slower/equal to you can be considered suspicious right now. .

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My bias? Against whom? Against what? i take up a contrary position to you, ergo i am biased? god, what is it with this site and the inability to think before posting? try Occum's Razor again. you're making assumptions other than the obvious one: you're wrong.

I admit it. i am biased. biased against people who don't think before they post.

if you knew glock was setting fast times, you had access to F1's site or some other live timing site, in which case you could see his splits with his team mate. trulli had no interest in slowing down on the last lap, neither did glock.

dry tyres work reasonably in light wet, until they lose temperature (and, of course, until the standing water becomes more prevalent), then you are in a no-win downward spiral. the cooler weather and the standing water and the lower lateral grip levels and lighter brake loads all conspire to drag the tyre temp down and you cannot get it back again.

i suspect this is what happened to toyota as the rain got heavier.

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Originally Posted by bowers

Also Kubica joining the battle hampered Vettel way more than Hamilton as he actually fought with Vettel and casually strolled past Hamilton in an attempt to get his lap back (you know incase the safety car came out it would make a lot of sense to do that), but that is an absolute non-issue so why you're even bringing it up confuses me.

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the way hamilton moved for RK left a door ajar for vettel, who did a superb job to take it. a superstar of the future.

and, wow. on the second last lap RK was gambling on a safety car? i know kubica and he's not that stupid. I know Mario Theissen and he's not that stupid, either...

...that leaves one of you.

Mickey!! why do you try to fight ignorant stupidity with reason?

janeppi, please not: I am directing my thoughts at the post, not the poster.

Bridgestone grooves with zero tempreture = zero grip, its a simple equation which explains Glocks pace or lack there of at the end of the grand prix, it started to rain much more heavilly in the last lap (with a full on mass deluge after the race). A common misconception is that the reason that dry tyres don't work on a wet track is due to aquaplaning, which is nonesense, as in an aquaplaning situation not even wet tyres work!!

The truth is that dry tyres are designed to build up heat on a dry track, on a damp surface they don't work because the damp track surface cools the surface of the rubber and there isnt enough movement in the tread to build up heat, wet tyres have blocks between the tread patterns that move around to create heat, which explains why wet tyres on a dry track go off very quickly, they get massively overheated because the dry track surface is warmer and has no water to cool the tyres down. As dry F1 tyres have a relatively small optimum operating window as far as tempreture is concerned, if you fall away from that and you are driving on a surface that can't give you the tempreture back you see a dramatic drop-off in performance, ala Glock in Brazil. Case closed.

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Originally Posted by philipbain

Bridgestone grooves with zero tempreture = zero grip, its a simple equation which explains Glocks pace or lack there of at the end of the grand prix, it started to rain much more heavilly in the last lap (with a full on mass deluge after the race). A common misconception is that the reason that dry tyres don't work on a wet track is due to aquaplaning, which is nonesense, as in an aquaplaning situation not even wet tyres work!!

The truth is that dry tyres are designed to build up heat on a dry track, on a damp surface they don't work because the damp track surface cools the surface of the rubber and there isnt enough movement in the tread to build up heat, wet tyres have blocks between the tread patterns that move around to create heat, which explains why wet tyres on a dry track go off very quickly, they get massively overheated because the dry track surface is warmer and has no water to cool the tyres down. As dry F1 tyres have a relatively small optimum operating window as far as tempreture is concerned, if you fall away from that and you are driving on a surface that can't give you the tempreture back you see a dramatic drop-off in performance, ala Glock in Brazil. Case closed.

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Quite right, it is nothing we haven't seen before.

I can't believe that people would even go so far as to suggest it wasn't really raining!! I saw it.

it was raining, but Glock just could not handle it....much like Trulli earlier proved (and through most of his career) he could not handle it.....

But he was really trying to prove he could be LH's lapdog for the next Mac opening.....unlike SV