Can someone tell me what was the rally where Richard Burns got two positions higher on behalf of Petter Solberg and Markko Märtin at Subaru ?
I guess it just happens.. right NOT?
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Can someone tell me what was the rally where Richard Burns got two positions higher on behalf of Petter Solberg and Markko Märtin at Subaru ?
I guess it just happens.. right NOT?
That was the San Remo Rally of 2001, I believe. Burns was promoted from sixth to fourth as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Edit: Poo. It was Corsica. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_d...01/1610295.stm
I remember him finishing fourth. Hmm.
Hmmm... makes me wonder if Burns was as all right witht he decision as Hirvonen this weekend. Care to answer that N.O.T. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickenMcNugget
And also that year Burns won the championship with 1 point advantage i think so peters 'sacrifice' was a crucial one... same with colin and carlos in spain a few years back and loix and makinen in acropolis ects ects....arranging positions within a team although i don't like it i can accept it... (Another example for team orders is that usually 2nd drivers within a team are told to secure points rather than attack, which is basically the same as giving away positions to the 1st driver)
Interfering with a supposed rival team to get what you want is too much...so i guess old dogs can't learn new tricks but sick ones can very well do so....lets hope the sick dogs retire from the WRC for good in the following year.
Team orders always existed. As fans we don't like them because we dont have involvement in a team return on investment.
It is acceptable to me that Citroen would freeze position like, for instance, in Germany 2005. It is still acceptable that Ford say to their driver to switch place like in Spain this year.
Though, it is totally unacceptable for a team to inforce team orders on another team, like M-Ford did with Stobard this time around. This is collusion.
Mikko said he did not want 2nd place that way, acknowledging that he made a mistake. This goes to his credits and i'd like to think that he was truthfull with that statement. Though he needs to follow team orders. He is surely not to a level were he can overrule his team manager. So IMO the blame is only on Malcom Wilson.
I think, even though I cannot point to a specific rule, that what Ford did today was not legal. And I think they should sanctionned for it. It's just for the principal of it, as i don't think their "tricks" will have any influence on either championships.
I had, in past most respect for Malcom Wilson. I am afraid I cannot say that anymore, at least as a team manager.
I'm sure that you are not working, but in real world if you don't do as the company that gives you the paycheck tells you to do, you get sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Exactly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
Look, team orders have always happened, what has really annoyed people is the way this one was done - involving another team - Stobart Ford - and the way Malcolm said when interviewed how they would consider it. To openly say they would use team orders is wrong- were the Stewards/F1A listening? Probably not!
Wow, this sport is getting downright ugly. I really don't like tarmac races, errr rallies, because they're boring. Corsica just adds insult to injury.
Waltzing into the forum and reading what happened with Ford is embarrassing. Malcolm shamelessly told the entire world that he was bringing down a supposed rival team in order to place Mikko up a few places and get on the podium.
What's the point of even running Stobart? I'm starting to forget what the point is to even follow the WRC.
the fact that malcom didn't do the same when Gronholm was in the team shows that its not team policy to enforce team orders for the drivers championship...so Mikko i guess was part of it.
No but feel free to express clearly and pubicly your opinion instead of the whispering. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo