Tyre Warmers

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Originally Posted by gravity

Where did I suggest that they use the standard composition of our atmosphere?

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Originally Posted by gravity

As far as I can tell, this special "Nitrogen/Co2" cocktail is standard composition of our atmosphere:

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Did you post that? Yes or not?!

PS: It was a rhetoric question. SGWilko will explain exactly what that means. I won't do it as I'm not a native English speaker! :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

PS: It was a rhetoric question. SGWilko will explain exactly what that means. I won't do it as I'm not a native English speaker! :D

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I sometimes feel that I am a minority now in my own country - less and less of us seem to have English as our native language. :eek:

And here, for my language lesson for today kiddywinks is the meaning of Rhetorical....

Drumroll SVP......

A rhetorical question is one that requires no answer because the answer is obvious and doesn't need to be stated . The speaker (of the rhetorical question) is not looking for an answer but is making some kind of a point, as in an argument.


Ta da...................... ;)

Applause please.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I sometimes feel that I am a minority now in my own country - less and less of us seem to have English as our native language. :eek:

And here, for my language lesson for today kiddywinks is the meaning of Rhetorical....

Drumroll SVP......

A rhetorical question is one that requires no answer because the answer is obvious and doesn't need to be stated . The speaker (of the rhetorical question) is not looking for an answer but is making some kind of a point, as in an argument.


Ta da...................... ;)

Applause please.

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Originally Posted by ioan

:applause:

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Vous et tres gentile! Unless of course it was a slow clap. ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Vous et tres gentile! Unless of course it was a slow clap. ;)

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I guess we will never find out! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's see how many of those who were complaining that Kimi was allowed to go around with a flapping exhaust pipe (all in the name of safety) are now advocating the removal of tire warmers creating thus the possibility of having 20 unpredictable cars on the track, running at speeds over 300kph!

Hypocrites! :rolleyes:

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So, you think we should allow tyre warmers on the grounds of safety but are happy about bits of flapping metal coming off :confused:

:laugh:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Not sure what the debate here is about. Debris from a race car at speed is dangerous without question. Several deaths at champ car races and IRL races have resulted from debris hitting spectators but usually as the result of accidents between cars. In 1999, three died at an IRL race, and at some time else, three more died at the Michigan track.

At Indy, a wheel came off and was hit by another race car, and sent into the grandstands, killing one spectator.

During JV's first year in F1, when he was challenging Hill at Japan GP, he had a wheel come off and go into the specator area. A small change, and the
wheel could have caused death and serious injury to spectators.

Okay, so it was not a wheel, but that changes nothing. I remember one year when a mirror came off an Indy car at Indy (I think Stephan Johnson was involved) and another car ran over it, burst a tire and (maybe) wrecked

If the pipe had come loose at the right time and place, it could easily have resulted in a serious injuries to a driver (if he ran over it and lost control, or a tire burst), to track workers and spectators if it flew off at the right moment into a crowd or other stuff flying off from an accident resulting from another car hitting it.

Otherwise if it so safe, they just need to leave debris laying around on the the track for everyone to run over and not be bothering with safety cars and such.

The only reason to not make the team remove or fix it would be if the fia thought that while loose, they were absolutely certain it was not going to come off, PERIOD. The question should not be whether it was likely to come off and cause serious injury.

Well, we all know that it did come off......................and the situation with Kimi when at Mac, with the tire bouncing all over from the trie problem, is no different

The only absolute determinative factor for tire warmers and mandates on air pressure should be safety with adequate precautions and rules in place. And I do not know whether those questions have been adequately answered and the rules developed as of yet.

After all, it is low tire pressure and cold tires resulting in the car bottoming that is alleged to have caused Senna's death. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

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When you lay off the Kool Aid, you do write some superb posts.

Spot on.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Here:
Did you post that? Yes or not?!

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I did post that... but you have taken that out of context. If you included it with the rest of my post, you would have seen that it refers to the diagram which followed that sentence (hence the colon), and that diagram referred to the standard composition of our atmosphere. I did not state that they do use it, nor did I state that they should use it.

Earlier in this same thread, you complained about someone misquoting you, yet you have no qualm doing that to others. Double standards? You aren't maybe an FIA official are you?

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Originally Posted by gravity

I did post that... but you have taken that out of context. If you included it with the rest of my post, you would have seen that it refers to the diagram which followed that sentence (hence the colon), and that diagram referred to the standard composition of our atmosphere. I did not state that they do use it, nor did I state that they should use it.

Earlier in this same thread, you complained about someone misquoting you, yet you have no qualm doing that to others. Double standards? You aren't maybe an FIA official are you?

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PML :laugh:

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Originally Posted by gravity

I did post that... but you have taken that out of context. If you included it with the rest of my post, you would have seen that it refers to the diagram which followed that sentence (hence the colon), and that diagram referred to the standard composition of our atmosphere. I did not state that they do use it, nor did I state that they should use it.

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Go see what's in your post after that semicolon! There is no link anymore.

Se for yourself:

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Originally Posted by gravity

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

Using Nitrogen or a combo of Nitrogen & CO2 (Ferrari's cocktail) when inflating the tires,

reduces the increase in pressure as tires warm-up.

Seems as though the Bridgestone's could be inflated at the recomended mininium psi... without over pressurizing the tires when warm.

DAS monitors tire pressure... so it should be easy to determine if tires are under-inflated.

Using air to inflate tires would cause problems as air contains moisture. The pressure could increase ~10/12 psi...

Even more if the tire starts out under-inflated.

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As far as I can tell, this special "Nitrogen/Co2" cocktail is standard composition of our atmosphere:


Compressors are fitted with standard filters that take moisture out the air, anyway. So it seems to me that the composition of the air in a tyre is way over hyped. What do they do that's so special to the air?

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Can you read the part in bold letters?!
Does the word "standard" ring a bell?!

And BTW, either you write Nitrogen/Carbon dioxide, or N2/CO2. :\

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Originally Posted by gravity

Earlier in this same thread, you complained about someone misquoting you, yet you have no qualm doing that to others. Double standards?

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I didn't misquote you. If you would bother checking you would see that there is nothing showing up after the semicolon in your post that I was quoting.

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Originally Posted by gravity

You aren't maybe an FIA official are you?

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Nah, I wouldn't want your job, you can stay calm under your rock. :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

I didn't misquote you. If you would bother checking you would see that there is nothing showing up after the semicolon in your post that I was quoting.

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There is a link to a picture, though the site it refers has some serious issues with bandwith and the picture doesn't show most of the times, if you quote the original text, you should see the link. :)
Indeed, if looking at your own quote of the text, the link appears in it. ;)