Teams preventing SC rule change

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Originally Posted by PSfan

I don't think the reserve tank would be that hard to regulate. As I suggested in previous threads, a pigment could be added to the fuel so the the FIA could determine if the reserve fuel was used, along with a program in the ECU that could log when the reserve tank is used. (The coloured fuel would ensure that teams can't by-pass the ecu and run the reserve tank empty and only refill it during the final pit-stop aka running lighter then everyone else... ) The ECU can log weight of the reserve tank as well as when its activated and refilled...

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And if there is any controversy, Max will see to it that only Honda are penalised with, ooohhhh, lets say a 2 race ban.......

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

And if there is any controversy, Max will see to it that only Honda are penalised with, ooohhhh, lets say a 2 race ban.......

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Hadn't realised you where such a comedian on here, first the speed limiter button suggestion, and now making another "honda reserve tank" joke, man you crack me up... :wink: (shame Valve's comment was funnier, good thing this isns't a competition...)

Anyway, I somehow doubt that Honda would be the first team that had something found to be illegal on there car one year, only to have a similar device be deemed legal later. Also if I do recall, the FIA stewerts gave Honda to come clean when they asked point blank "is all the fuel out?" and Honda lied about it, so how much of the 2 race ban was for the extra tank, and how much was it for lying about the said fuel tank, and the fuel it was holding? And was the penalty for the extra fuel tank, or the car being under weight dry?

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Originally Posted by PSfan

Hadn't realised you where such a comedian on here, first the speed limiter button suggestion, and now making another "honda reserve tank" joke, man you crack me up... :wink: (shame Valve's comment was funnier, good thing this isns't a competition...)

Anyway, I somehow doubt that Honda would be the first team that had something found to be illegal on there car one year, only to have a similar device be deemed legal later. Also if I do recall, the FIA stewerts gave Honda to come clean when they asked point blank "is all the fuel out?" and Honda lied about it, so how much of the 2 race ban was for the extra tank, and how much was it for lying about the said fuel tank, and the fuel it was holding? And was the penalty for the extra fuel tank, or the car being under weight dry?

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Depends on how you define lie in this instance. The Honda fuel TANK was empty, but the collector, part of the pressurisation system and not classed as part of the tank, still had fuel in.

To answer either yes or no would have technically been both correct and false. :wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean:

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Originally Posted by PSfan

Hadn't realised you where such a comedian on here, first the speed limiter button suggestion

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Another example of my 'warped' SOH PSfan....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67984

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Depends on how you define lie in this instance. The Honda fuel TANK was empty, but the collector, part of the pressurisation system and not classed as part of the tank, still had fuel in.

To answer either yes or no would have technically been both correct and false. :wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean:

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While continueing this direction of discussion is probably better served in the H&N section, FIA described the Honda case as "bad faith", "fraudulent behaviour"

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Originally Posted by SGwilko

Another example of my 'warped' SOH PSfan....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67984

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Is is a little bit away from "the FIA warning the drivers of the SC and then pushing a button and slowing everyone down" The drivers still have control in the scenario proposed in that autosport story.

However, I still view it as a knee jerk reaction. It would reward "Johnny on the spot" drivers and will still impact on the results - imagine a race where Kimi is leading by some 15 secs ahead of heikki, Hamilton, Massa (because of a 1 stop strategy managed to bunch everyone up.) Kubica, Heidfeld, Rosberg, Webber... The SC comes out just as Kimi approached pit lane and is able to dip in right away, Hamilton then is stuck cued up behind HK and is then passed by Massa, RK, Rosberg and Webber, and a sure podium is gone...

I am opposed to any regulation that takes control away from drivers that are paid millions to drive. I also think that because the majority (Indycar, Nascar, ALMS etc etc) all close their pits at the start of a caution (safety car) period, there is more to it then just to prevent cars racing to the pits.

The pitlane incident during the Canadian GP should increase the pressure for changes to the safety car rules IMHO.

If the pitlane is open then it should be open, not open at the entry but closed at the exit :crazy:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The pitlane incident during the Canadian GP should increase the pressure for changes to the safety car rules IMHO.

If the pitlane is open then it should be open, not open at the entry but closed at the exit :crazy:

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I agree, especially if the train of cars has already gone completely past.

It's an absolutely ridiculous situation. If they want to turn F1 into NASCAR or Indycar or whatever by putting a car out to slow the field to bunch them up and create artificial racing then so be it - but at least NASCAR and Indycar have the rules and pitlane infrastructure to accommodate it. Cars queuing side by side at the pitlane exit and potentially backing up half way down the pitlane is crazy.

They need to fix this now because sooner or later someone is going to get seriously hurt.

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Originally Posted by Bobby_Hamlin

It's an absolutely ridiculous situation. If they want to turn F1 into NASCAR or Indycar or whatever by putting a car out to slow the field to bunch them up and create artificial racing then so be it - but at least NASCAR and Indycar have the rules and pitlane infrastructure to accommodate it. Cars queuing side by side at the pitlane exit and potentially backing up half way down the pitlane is crazy.

They need to fix this now because sooner or later someone is going to get seriously hurt.

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If the cars are queueing up at the exit, and jo fastdriver is in his pit, past which the queue is formed, what do they do then when he wants to pull out?

It is a bit silly really.

It's ironic that these kind of issues were raised a year ago. Felipe Massa, who was penalised for ignoring the red light along with Fisichella, said then: ""What sense does it make? Was I supposed to stay stopped while the race went on?"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/59664