Let's save everyone any more trouble and write Hamilton off after just 22 GP's, 5 wins, 15 podiums, 7 pole positions and 137 points shall we :rolleyes:
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Let's save everyone any more trouble and write Hamilton off after just 22 GP's, 5 wins, 15 podiums, 7 pole positions and 137 points shall we :rolleyes:
Over reaction as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Goldie Locks is a very good driver, but last year when he had the best car everyone was hailing as the next Senna or next Schumacher. peter "stupid" windsor wrote articles which showed such love to Hamilton that you usually wouldn`t even find in a teenage girls loveletters and hyped him as the best ever. Some lists already put him among greatest ever drivers.
Now the hype is beginning to seem stupid, suddenly goldie locks is struggling with his team mate in a way Schumacher or Senna for example never did.
Mod's could we end this thread!
All necessary bashing has been acomplished
By both sides ;)
I agree. Hamilton is very good, but he is not flawless and will he become world champion remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
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Originally Posted by Tazio
Indeed it is a shame that we can't have a discussion about anything McLaren/Hamilton without falling into the same flame wars.
I usually try to avoid such threads, but I thought this one was a bit technical and some people actually had insightful comments to make about the drivers' driving style and the construction of tyres... but at the end of the day, we fall into the same tried old driver bashing arguments.
Really guys, as a community, we should sometimes be ashamed of ourselves...
Over reaction? Maybe. But needed to balance some of the stuff written here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Hamilton's stats cannot be matched by (to pick your choices) Schumacher or Senna at the same point in their careers, but that means nothing because it is comparing full careers with 22 races, so it's pointless.
As is saying Hamilton "is struggling with his team mate in a way Schumacher or Senna for example never did". For one thing being outqualified twice in the first 5 races of the season happened to Senna in 1985 (also his second season).
As for the "hype", well referring to him as "Goldie Locks" just adds to it. You're right though...Hamilton is a very good driver. Time will tell if he's a great one. But don't blame him for those lists because he didn't write them. As for Windsor, well his is just another opinion, and we all have one :)
I think that JV had better stats, however, and even as a World Champion IMO he is not as good as M Shumacher or Senna.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
But of course we are fans and have top be passionate ;)
Come on Gazza, I was starting to warm to you. Dont slip down the slippery slope of lesser forum members ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
What does it matter what others write. Surely, we are a little above the tabloid hype and pomp?
Lets get away from the silly names and look at the facts which is a stock tyre in this arguement.
It's as pointless comparing Hamilton with retired drivers just as it's pointless using media hype and fairytale names.
The question remains in my opinion. Should a stock tyre, driven within usual parameters, fail from a structural issue? Lets pretend for example that it was Schumacher or Senna. Should the best of the best compromise their driving style because of structural failere within normal use?
The difference between the good and the great is small but if we don't allow the very best to excell, then we are guilty as the FIA in promoting mediocrity.
Do we have to apply the soubriquet 'stupid' to anyone whose opinions we disagree with now?
Depends on the WDC scenario and driving style. Some drivers attack and some are conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Drivers like Alonso, Piquet and Prost would much prefer to consolidate and fight another day.
I don't think Schumi or Senna would've compromised.
Remember Hungary 2006 where Schumi stayed out on inters, which were down to slicks in the dry and he was doing the usual defending as if his life depended on it.
There was one Spanish GP where he had 2 tyre failures on the same wheel corner but that was bodywork issue IIRC.
In Nurburgring 2005 Kimi had a flat spot that grew bigger and bigger with massive vibrations with each lap. The McLaren line was that they were unsure on the one-tyre rule for that year but I'm more inclined to think it was Kimi's decision to stay out.