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Originally Posted by jens
Sorry I misunderstood your comments. You are right in what you said.
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Originally Posted by jens
Sorry I misunderstood your comments. You are right in what you said.
Its funny how Chris has seemed to be able to drive there Subaru in a tame yet consistant manner and its payed off on the results table.
Petter seems to looking for the raw speed option and to me it seems as though hes being that little bit too rough on the car and it just cant hack it, hence the breakages.
To me that show that Petter is really trying, but perhaps trying too hard. The new car, if all goes well, should allow him to take the pressure off himself, relax a bit and settle back into to his 2003 form... I hope!
The current car is not good enough to keep pace of the C4 and Focus as it stands. Regardless who is driving it (loeb for example). Subaru has obviously had to work hard at keeping the car in the same league as the C4 and Focus. While the C4 and Focus can spend time and resources tweaking the car and making changes that will help when the times get tough.
With the unfortunate position of having a car that is always a little slower or more unreliable you get a unique opportunity to fix your mistakes with insight. You learn more from your mistakes than your success.
Time will tell if the car is really a new generation leap or more of the same. I think the car will come out swinging. And if petta can get a good feel for the car it will be a real contender. But how much money will the team put into it with its lifespan as short as it is with the new rules?
As for the drivers of subaru I think that Chris will fall well below Petter if the car is a winner. Experience and Petter's determination will really make Chris look slow. (not that I like Petta, I like Chris more.)
Focus short, and Evo and Impreza long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kharts
First gen Focus was 102.9" or 2613,6mm
New ones are 2640mm
First Gen GC8 Impreza was 2520mm wheelbase
Second Impreza GDB was 2525mm
Next was 2540mm
Early Evo I thru 6 were 2500mm wheelbase
Evo 7 onwards 2625mm
Xsara WRC is 2550mm
C4 is 2608mm
I think you need to look up a bit before calling LONG cars short and short cvars long, so sorry!
Notice all the cars he said were SWB are hatches and the ones he said were LWB are all saloon/coupe cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
It's funny how often this happens :D
Yep.. I think its the shorter overhangs that decieve?. If I didnt know, Id have said the same too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Edit- Are the overhangs shorter on the new Impreza?
But nearly everything he said was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Focus is long, and it looks like a hatch to me
Early Evo and GC8 Subie were short and they sorta seem like saloons you know with a boot and all?
I really don't follow your point.
Or his.
What I meant was people see a saloon and think it's big and that it must have a long wheelbase. Then they see a hatchback and think it must be small and therefore have a small wheelbase :) These assumptions are not necessarily correct which was my point ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Zico there you're getting closer to what I see differing more: overhang front and rear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Ford pointed out how effective the old wonderful Lancia Delta intergrale was (97.4" wheelbase, like a GolfII) especially how nearly untouchable on tarmac it was.
That shorter overhang was a key part when the Sierra and Sapphire Cosworths was made shorter from 102.7" whelbase to 100.5 for the Escort Cosworth.
Barely 2.2" wheelbase but well shorter in front and WAAAAAAAAAY shorter in the rear overhang, more than 5 inches shorter in the rear.
The French have been the Champions of maximum internal space for a given model segment for decades by putting the wheels right at the corners and have nearly NO overhang, and it seems to work especially well on tarmac.
The stability coming from longer wheelbase isn't a big deal on WRC or GpA cars because they have fully adjustable suspension links and can set up the car with LOTS, 4+ degrees of castor and even a short wheelbase car can be made stable with enough castor and some toe in.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
OK yeah. One of my rallycars is a Ford Sierra 4x4 at 102.7" wb and SEVERAL boys with their Fucci have been over to talk suspension or prep and I point out how large their cars are and how having a large car means weight, and they simply cannot believe their cars are longer wheelbase than the Sierra.
Even measuring it for them has left some say "Noooo way, dude, that's not right"