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22nd March 2008, 03:27
grungex

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Apparently it's pretty tight and GF has made no bones about enforcing the contract.

I don't think Jerry has said a single word about Paul or his contract, nor has anyone here seen said contract, so the above can only be your conjecture. The only person that has said anything publicly is PT, and we all know the saying about three sides to every story...
22nd March 2008, 05:50
garyshell

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Originally Posted by Champcar4life

Paul Tracy once say he wouldn't drive one of those crap wagon and was a strong support of the Champcar series, even if the series didn't support him, but when someone brought up the fact he said he wouldn't drive in the irl, he dodge the question, by give a lame answer to the question,so I guess we all have a price.

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Or the right to change our minds. Don't look to Paul to fight YOUR fight with the reality that CCWS is no more.

Gary

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Originally Posted by Champcar4life

First, second and third I know CCWS is gone and last this is what Paul say I was just quoting it,so this wasn't an issue of getting him to fight a fight for me, or for Champcar for that matter, but in racing, or any other business money does talk, just look at Dan the wonder boy he say he was happy at AGR,but the next season he was with another team.

No, you were not JUST quoting. You were quoting AND editorializing that Paul must "have a price". I took exception to the eidtorial part by saying there may be something besides Paul having a price, namely it may be as simple as Paul changed his mind. If money was the ONLY factor he could just wait out the remaining four years of his contract and take Gerry's money. But clearly Paul wants to drive. Where is Paul selling out for money by wanting to drive???

Gary
22nd March 2008, 05:52
garyshell

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Originally Posted by IWUTitan90

Starter, did the contract not end when not only the series which Tracy drove in, but also the team itself, closed shop? How can one be an employee of something that no longer exists?

Speculation is that Paul may not be under contract to the now defunct team. He maybe under contract directly to Gerry. Notice that the first word of that sentence is speculation. Paul has not revealed the t's and c's of his contract to anyone in the press to date.

Gary
22nd March 2008, 06:36
tbyars

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Speculation is that Paul may not be under contract to the now defunct team. He maybe under contract directly to Gerry. Notice that the first word of that sentence is speculation. Paul has not revealed the t's and c's of his contract to anyone in the press to date.

Gary

Although, Gary, I might also point out that there was a poster here just the other day who chastized you severly because it was supposedly 'common knowledge and had been reported in the racing press that PT's contract was, indeed, a personal contract to GF,' and you didn't seem to know that.

Sounds like you can't win to me! ;)
22nd March 2008, 07:18
RJL25

to all of you guys who are saying that they aren't gonna watch the series, dont you see that its you, and only you, who are going to miss out by doing this? Anybody with half a brain could see that this is the only logical way forward for open wheel racing in the US to have any chance of getting back to where it was, if you aren't gonna watch then seriously that is your problem and your problem only. Your gonna miss out BIG TIME!

I really feel sorry for you that your minds are so small that you cannot accept change and cannot accept that this had to happen, yes their are casualties such as PT, but blame forsythe for that because its his fault, don't go holding it against the series just because one guy is too pig headed to join the new series even though we all know damn well forsythe could have a car on the grid if he really wanted to.

AND THIS POST IS WRITTEN BY A LONG STANDING CHAMPCAR FAN! To all my fellow champcar die hards, guys ya just have to move on! whats done is done, ya can't keep watching your old DVD's from the CART days forever.... the world has moved on, and the new world is the Indycar Series
22nd March 2008, 10:25
jimispeed

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Originally Posted by RJL25

to all of you guys who are saying that they aren't gonna watch the series, dont you see that its you, and only you, who are going to miss out by doing this? Anybody with half a brain could see that this is the only logical way forward for open wheel racing in the US to have any chance of getting back to where it was, if you aren't gonna watch then seriously that is your problem and your problem only. Your gonna miss out BIG TIME!

I really feel sorry for you that your minds are so small that you cannot accept change and cannot accept that this had to happen, yes their are casualties such as PT, but blame forsythe for that because its his fault, don't go holding it against the series just because one guy is too pig headed to join the new series even though we all know damn well forsythe could have a car on the grid if he really wanted to.

AND THIS POST IS WRITTEN BY A LONG STANDING CHAMPCAR FAN! To all my fellow champcar die hards, guys ya just have to move on! whats done is done, ya can't keep watching your old DVD's from the CART days forever.... the world has moved on, and the new world is the Indycar Series

I for one will try to watch Indycar, since it is the only American series that remains.

But, I won't spend my hard earned dollar to experience what Indycar offers at the moment.

I will complain about what I believe could be improved on, and I will try to make sure that TG will embrace Champcars' heritage and include it as a part of Indycar!!

I personally hope that Indycar will be in my blood as much as Champcar was since 1979. And, I'll do my best to make sure I get the performance and competition that I and my fellow fans deserve to see!!
22nd March 2008, 14:36
nanders

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Originally Posted by tbyars

Although, Gary, I might also point out that there was a poster here just the other day who chastized you severly because it was supposedly 'common knowledge and had been reported in the racing press that PT's contract was, indeed, a personal contract to GF,' and you didn't seem to know that.

Sounds like you can't win to me! ;)

I read that to, "personal service agreement," but thought he was speculating. But it makes sense observing how this thing is shaking out.
22nd March 2008, 15:03
nanders

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Originally Posted by RJL25

to all of you guys who are saying that they aren't gonna watch the series, dont you see that its you, and only you, who are going to miss out by doing this?

Agreed, I'm 55 and have been an IndyCART fan all my life. I like most, lined up behind CART at the split. But now after the events of the last 4 years, it has become obvious, that from a business perspective, the teams need to combine if they are going to have a chance at pulling dollars into their teams, that now go to that other series. AOWR is in desperate straights folks. This is the only thing that makes sense ... even though it's not ideal for ultra hardcore CCWS fans.

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Originally Posted by RJL25

Anybody with half a brain could see that this is the only logical way forward for open wheel racing in the US to have any chance of getting back to where it was, if you aren't gonna watch then seriously that is your problem and your problem only. Your gonna miss out BIG TIME!

"Anybody with half a brain" sounds like a personal attack, try saying "I'd like to help you to a more enlightened vision while IndyCar retools too tackle it's challenges." :p

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Originally Posted by RJL25

I really feel sorry for you that your minds are so small that you cannot accept change and cannot accept that this had to happen,

Ouch!, or, "a more broad perspective and understanding of the fundamental problems IndyCar faces, with a renewed strong fan commitment to AOWR will have a better affect on the result." :D
22nd March 2008, 20:07
garyshell

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Originally Posted by tbyars

Although, Gary, I might also point out that there was a poster here just the other day who chastized you severly because it was supposedly 'common knowledge and had been reported in the racing press that PT's contract was, indeed, a personal contract to GF,' and you didn't seem to know that.

Sounds like you can't win to me! ;)

Taking note of today's date I guess it must be my cross to bear. <big ol' grin>

Gary
22nd March 2008, 20:15
garyshell

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Originally Posted by jimispeed

I for one will try to watch Indycar, since it is the only American series that remains.

But, I won't spend my hard earned dollar to experience what Indycar offers at the moment.

I will complain about what I believe could be improved on, and I will try to make sure that TG will embrace Champcars' heritage and include it as a part of Indycar!!

I personally hope that Indycar will be in my blood as much as Champcar was since 1979. And, I'll do my best to make sure I get the performance and competition that I and my fellow fans deserve to see!!

Jimi,

How many times do we have to read this??? Complain if you want, but take it where it will matter. You can complain here and it won't do any good. No on here can make any of the changes you want. Call the offices at 16th and Georgetown and give them an earfull. But spare us. I am sorry, but we really could care less if you watch or go to the track or not. It is your loss not ours.

Your "get everybody together' message was pathetic. I was excited when I read the title. Then I opened it up and say the almost exact same verbage as above. There is nothing there that in any way attempts to bring folks together. It's unfortunately just more of the same old rhertoric. The war is over, move on and put it behind you.

Gary

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