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13th February 2008, 10:15
kleisj

Ofcourse Latvala!
And then Galli, Ostberg (i would put Henning also but he blew it and I don't think he has any special excuse, he is expert on these conditions and he is not a young hotshot like Ostberg to make an easy mistake).

Mikkelsen and Wilson drove really good but they would only be up on the leaderboard because of others misfortunes and mistakes. They didn't perform any competitive times compared to the others. Something that Ostberg did with very convincing way.
Don't get me wrong they followed right tactic and they put some decent speed in it. But they just didn't have the pace of the others.

P.S. Critic is easy from home and office chair....I know http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif
13th February 2008, 11:46
Viking

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Originally Posted by kleisj

Mikkelsen and Wilson drove really good but they would only be up on the leaderboard because of others misfortunes and mistakes. They didn't perform any competitive times compared to the others. Something that Ostberg did with very convincing way.
Don't get me wrong they followed right tactic and they put some decent speed in it. But they just didn't have the pace of the others.

P.S. Critic is easy from home and office chair....I know http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Not competitive times :confused:

Mikkelsen lost 4min to rally leader Friday with wastgate valve stuck open. On first stage Saturday (when Hirvonen said he tried and Latvala answered) he was fastest of the Fords, and this in a 06 car compered to others 07.

He drove day 2 and 3 as fast as Galli and Petter and remember he is still 18 years old and this was his first Rally Sweden!

I say that is pretty competetive!

Ps did a little research on what some of the "big" drivers has done first time here in wrc car, Loeb was 9min of rally leader, Latvala 15min and Gronholm had accidents and retired in his first 2.
13th February 2008, 15:25
kleisj

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Originally Posted by Viking

Not competitive times :confused:

Mikkelsen lost 4min to rally leader Friday with wastgate valve stuck open. On first stage Saturday (when Hirvonen said he tried and Latvala answered) he was fastest of the Fords, and this in a 06 car compered to others 07.

He drove day 2 and 3 as fast as Galli and Petter and remember he is still 18 years old and this was his first Rally Sweden!

I say that is pretty competetive!

Ps did a little research on what some of the "big" drivers has done first time here in wrc car, Loeb was 9min of rally leader, Latvala 15min and Gronholm had accidents and retired in his first 2.

Don't get too confused. Ostberg's stage times were more competitive and that was really my point. Ok Mikkelsen had 3 stages in the top 6. I guess my mistake then regarding my comment. In any case I didn't put a negative label on him and if he was his first rally or about his age or anything else. He is definitely a very promising talent. No doubt.
Still for the moment I rate Ostberg higher than Mikkelsen. They are both youngsters.
Also to compare how Gron or Loeb did on their first rally here is not something which can give us a special conclusion or impression. Their are many drivers that had great carrrier start and they stayed for their entire carriers as promising talents.
Time will tell anyway.
13th February 2008, 15:37
Tomi

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Originally Posted by kleisj

Also to compare how Gron or Loeb did on their first rally here is not something which can give us a special conclusion or impression. Their are many drivers that had great carrrier start and they stayed for their entire carriers as promising talents.
Time will tell anyway.

Exactly, time will tell, stupid to compaire also mikkelsen with other drivers carreer starts, they where every single one different from each other.
13th February 2008, 16:52
jparker

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Because Henning was quickest on day3, another one nothing to lose after his unforunate off on day2.

Yes, but Sordo was 4-6 on day 3, not second? ;)
13th February 2008, 16:52
Viking

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Exactly, time will tell, stupid to compaire also mikkelsen with other drivers carreer starts, they where every single one different from each other.

Agree on the “time will tell” but that is not relevant to if the times in Sweden where competitive or not.
The comparing was merely to show that this is not an easy rally to just show up, write new notes and be on the pace from word go.

But anyway, if it is stupid to compare carrieer starts on this forum, I rest my case.
13th February 2008, 17:04
Tomi

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Originally Posted by Viking

But anyway, if it is stupid to compare carrieer starts on this forum, I rest my case.

Depends what you try to tell with the comparisation, was it maybe that because of mikkelsens daddys big money or what he did relatively good in sweden or maybe something else?
14th February 2008, 15:42
xavier

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Originally Posted by Viking

Not competitive times :confused:
Ps did a little research on what some of the "big" drivers has done first time here in wrc car, Loeb was 9min of rally leader, Latvala 15min and Gronholm had accidents and retired in his first 2.

This was the 6th time andreas was in a WRC... his results : R/10/10/R/R/5
vrey close to Gronholm (13/R/R/10/R/5), far behind Loeb (9/10/2/2/17/R)
15th February 2008, 09:22
Finni

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Originally Posted by xavier

This was the 6th time andreas was in a WRC... his results : R/10/10/R/R/5
vrey close to Gronholm (13/R/R/10/R/5), far behind Loeb (9/10/2/2/17/R)

Nah, that comparison is weak from thousands of reasons:

1) When Grönholm and Loeb did their drives there were probably more competition (don't know exactly but this is my gut).

2) Grönholm and Loeb and Loeb had much more experience from other cars than Andreas.

3) On asphalt it doesn't matter if you are experienced with wrc-car. Wrc-newbie can be instantly fast on asphalt if he is otherwise familiar and favours that surface.
15th February 2008, 09:36
kleisj

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Originally Posted by Finni

Nah, that comparison is weak from thousands of reasons:

1) When Grönholm and Loeb did their drives there were probably more competition (don't know exactly but this is my gut).

2) Grönholm and Loeb and Loeb had much more experience from other cars than Andreas.

3) On asphalt it doesn't matter if you are experienced with wrc-car. Wrc-newbie can be instantly fast on asphalt if he is otherwise familiar and favours that surface.

When Gronholm and Loeb started their carriers we would see in far les occasions privateers in the top 6 compared to now. Now is much different due to lack of 3rd cars rule and less manufacturers. I don't think is a good comparison.
Anyway I think we got a bit http://img164.exs.cx/img164/7827/offtopic8mg.gif with this matter http://img108.exs.cx/img108/5527/i1lsmile.gif

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