They are not planning to introduce full electric, read about it first, before making assumptions out loud.
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They are not planning to introduce full electric, read about it first, before making assumptions out loud.
Subaru are looking to go hybrid with their next generation of wrx .Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D59mAMyWwAEHk2O.jpg
A new great super special for Wales Rally GB...
I wonder if that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There were strong rumours of a street stage in Liverpool.
The rumors were of a Thursday street stage in Liverpool. But this one's planned for Saturday.
Very disappointed in seeing more and more "stages" like these. Has nothing to do with rallying.
Yeah, but it does in 'paying the bills'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
In events where the entrance is free, you can use that argument indeed... But in Wales spectators are paying a lot of money to see the cars in action. Nobody buys an entry ticket, looking forward to see a WRC car taking a donut on a parking area. Having this "thing" in the itinerary means there's probably no room for a proper forest stage at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
The Mickey Mouse stages of the old RAC Rally (in the grounds of stately homes) were like real rallying compared to this !Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Ceremonial start in Liverpool & maybe street stage:
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...wales-rally-gb
I don't think it would have been an option anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
However I remember Bjorn Waldegard always saying those were the stages you never gained any time, just risking to loose a lot, only. But that was in the 70-80´s ... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Jesus f-kin Christ. This is BS in its purest form.
Sure, they were MM stages compared to the forests. But for fans and tv viewers they looked much more like 'rallying' than these current, street SSS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Yes. Maybe so. But still in the gardens of he rich people... Not much of stages anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I´m not sure what you mean? Are you commenting my quote or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
No no no, that was not what I meant. Sorry for being unclear. I should have quoted the post I was referring to. The point was to express my dissatisfaction regarding the Welsh SSS, which is very much ex anus, if such Latin phrase is acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I'm not endorsing that stage, but if you want to look at the positives, a stage like that is very much a part of this Rally's heritage! https://youtu.be/v-JntnA0RyA?t=51 :D
I'm all for a return to a traditional RAC Rally style Rally GB, though the return of seafront promenade tests isn't quite what I was thinking of...
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Start/Thursday evening. Realistically speaking, I'd like them to have some balls like Automobile Club de Monaco and go for a Ceremonial start in Liverpool, before heading back to service via a run in darkness through a 30km Clocaenog and 10km Alwen. An entirely logical route, a great start to the rally, but I await disappointment...
i can not wait N.O.T commenting on this....
This week VW landing in french tarmac for new test with Polo R5 ... My video of today https://youtu.be/jDViKLOUjc8
Would love that!!! However I reckon they need those stages to properly pad out the FridayQuote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
How long before wrc introduces a drifting power stage. Points for style/ angle, closeness to the walls etc? That Colwyn sss is more like Gymkhana/ autokhana etc RAC Zero Cup tests rally uk 2018 - https://youtu.be/3Xl4U8oXdY0
Spectator stages have always happened, but now they are less and less like the sport they are supposed to promote.
Who comes up with these SSS? Do they ask the drivers anything before coming up with such shite. Who thinks doing multiple donuts is cool as an actual competition? There's enough lame Ken Block videos on YouTube to entice people into that ....
this doesnt bode well....
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...2-fia/4383702/
What doesnt bode well?! So the teams demand Hybrid systems and now they are afraid of the challenges while applying the technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
did you read the article at all ?
and it never bodes well when FIA has one opinion and the teams another, and for me it doesnt seem they are afraid, what can they be afraid of when they dont exactly know whats coming and how?
I think only Citroen is 100% in favour of hybrids.
Teams don’t demand hybrids, manufacturers do. FIA must decide soon so the manus won’t drop their support and teams have enough time to develop the cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Actually, last year manus were still undecided about the degree of electrification they wanted for the WRC and VW was still pushing for full EV’s (a totally unrealistic option knowing how hard and expensive it’d be). Apparently, only at the start of this season there was a general agreement on hybrids use: https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...-todt/4332167/Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Taking some time to decide what hybrid system the WRC cars will have is not a waste. Matton said recently the FIA wants to avoid making a disruption into the series, suggesting they’ll use affordable and easy to implement mild hybrids (additional to current engines); that sounds quite reasonable, especially having in mind the recent WRX electric flop or WEC manus desertion through the high tech hybrid years.
Btw, the timeline Matton mentioned is pretty close to the one the IMSA is also planning for their series hybrid transition and no one seems to be complaining there: https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/i...n-for-dpi-2-0/
It's just teams giving Matton the hurry up to have it sorted next month. Which is understandable seeing as Matton hardly inspires confidence in anyone....
What about other classes like R5 and below... are they going hybrid too ?
I worry about the cost implications of this technology outside of WRC1 and Manufacturer teams.
For sure not on the same schedule. Probably a new low-class hybrid/electric class is introduced at some point. Besides, lower classes aren’t in the marketing scope of manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Not sure about that, could be good and easy way to score for some niche produc(er)t or junior cup as long the dinos continue to sleep.
Sebastien Loeb al via del Rally di Alba con la Hyundai i20 WRC Plus
Not even time to celebrate the third place achieved at the weekend at the Rally of Chile that Sebastien Loeb and Daniel Elena are already ready to try their hand at a new adventure behind the wheel of the Hyundai i20 WRC Plus. Waiting to face the last two races (probably Germany and Spain) of the six scheduled (in the World Rally Championship) with the Korean team, the nine-time world champion specialty crew will be at the start of the Rally Vosges Grand Est, valid for the French championship (scheduled from 14 to 16 June) and the Rally di Alba, fifth round of the Italian WRC Championship. From Rome came the green light for the presence of the latest generation cars - if registered by an official team - in the six races of the three-color series on asphalt. "We are grateful for the hospitality that the Cinzano Rally Team offers us - says Andrea Adamo, Team director of Hyundai Motorsport - and we take this opportunity to allow Loeb to become more confident with our car in anticipation of participation in future rallies on asphalt. Thanks to the splendid roads that we will find at the Rally of Alba we will bring home a very positive experience ». The event will begin on the evening of Saturday 27 with the performance show in the industrial area of the city. On Sunday, July 28, in addition to a new passage on the Alba special, timed sections will be played twice in the area of Albaretto Torrre, Sino and Roddino, in the Municipalities of Igliano, Torresina and Paroldo and between Santo Stefano Belbo and Cossano Belbo for a special test dedicated to Moscato d'Asti. A total of 105 race kilometers will be held.
http://www.rallyemotion.it/news/2019...b-xEM1HkQjQI60
I don't understand why teams don't do more local rally's. It gives them the opportunity to get experience and set up the car without having to worry about the testing limit. They could do a rally every weekend on pretty much every kind of road if they wanted.
Obviously Hyundai ("just") started to exploit this big time this year (Loeb 2 rallies, Neuville and Mikkelsen 1). I don't like it. Neither do I like Toyota's "exploiting".Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Both increase the costs and potentially give them advantage over the teams that don't use so much money on this. Yes factory teams will do anything to gain advantage and the one with most money will always have some advantage, but that's why we have rules to try to limit this as much as possible. Otherwise we might just give up.
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Anyway the Italian rally is 27-28. July, which is the weekend before Finland. Therefore it's highly unlikely that Loeb will drive in Finland. Will be interesting to see who drives there then.
Msport has been "exploiting" this for years by selling and renting cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The more WRCs are used, the better. Has been like that all the time one way or the other.
Not really in the last 2 years. As they said themselves they have sold almost no 2017+ cars and the renting in WRC rallies is a fair game. Also latest generation WRC car have been forbidden in most national championships for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
If you recall there was also some controversy about this in 2017 when Østberg (in Prokops team) was testing without using Msport days and FIA immediatelly responsed by changing the rules to counter that.
Anyway my point wasn't to show that one team is better than other, but that the whole idea (of allowing latest gen factory cars in local rallies) is a problem.