That's when the Citroen company started, a hundred years ago. Also explains the retro font.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
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That's when the Citroen company started, a hundred years ago. Also explains the retro font.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
…citroen was founded in march 1919 – therefore 100 year anniversary for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
..oh sorry, you were faster...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
is it just me only thinks that Jacksons twits last year and this year just put pressure at drivers?
Linda Jackson
New year, new look for #C3WRC, new crews: all is set to tackle the new season, pass the 100 mark in WRC wins and fight for the world title. Stay focused on preparing #RallyMonteCarlo, guys. And see you in Gap very soon!
The Citroen car company was founded in 1919 so they are celebrating their centenary this year.
(too slow - again! - must read all posts before replying)
Seems like a Barn to me NOT
https://twitter.com/rallygif/status/...737303041?s=21
Why would they do that?! It’s a hideous enough car as it is before presenting it in gravel spec too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yep, for sure André Citroen, the founder, would love to see a 6 times WDC driving one of his cars! Citroen was known as an innovator, clearly ahead of his time both in the industrial and in the commercial sides. He started manufacturing V shape gears (which inspired Citroen’s logo) before WW1 and during the war he built a highly efficient projectile factory, converting it to a car plant soon after the war end. In 1919 he was ready to launch the new car brand, which become immediately popular and France best selling manu during the 20’s and 30’s. Adding a WRC title to the brand 100 anniversary would be brilliant; fingers crossed!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Anyone quote this ? Ive run out of articles...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/featur...t-a-homecoming
It's a good article. About him, Ingrassia and M-Sport etc... bit of back slappingQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Citroen Racing
''Proud to support our Citroën customers: Mads Østberg & Co-driver Torstein Eriksen will race in WRC2 Pro & behind the wheel of the #C3R5 - from Rally Sweden.''
Sounds like he actually pay that he can drive that car. Citroen then take it like Pro entry... With every minute they try to prove that they are team of nobodies, which some call that for Toyota.
Wouldn't surprise me. Once a pay driver...
Lappi comparing the cars again https://translate.google.ee/translat...kierroskone%2F
Lappi is being very cautious on his statements. He said that this year is more of learning than winning, and that the car "has potential" on different point of views.
I don't know if it is just part of his character, or he is not liking the Citroen behaviour and setup so far.
Pay driving isn't black and white. Take a look at 'privateer' entries in GT racing for clues as to all the different steps of grey. Here's the bill for the car. But Citroen are likely paying all entry fees. Citroen Sport logos on the car? That's a discount. Using Citroen's partner suppliers? That could be arranged at a good rate ;) Perhaps they're running the car for free? Perhaps they're reducing the cost in order to get him onboard? Maybe Citroen Norway are contributing.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Audi in GT racing (and others) have a Customer Racing badged programme, but their works team runs their works drivers in the big races at Nurburgring and Spa. The 'customer racing' banner is because they use those wins to advertise the car to customers around the world. I've no idea, but Citroen may be doing the same.
M-Sport's WRC2 Pro programme is also being supported by pay drivers, and I'd argue Citroen have got a better driver to showcase their R5 than Ford as things stand.
Heck, Skoda's Pro entry in Monte Carlo and Sweden appears to be supporting privateer entrants.
As far as i know, he don't pay to drive, but he don't get paid eighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
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It seems to be a semi-official program, a bit like last year Lefebvre WRC2 entry; this time it'll be DG Sport runing the car, instead of PHSport. Citroen, Total and Michelin will continue to support: http://www.dgsportcompetition.eu/en/node/225
Did anyone see what damper supplier Citroen uses this year?
Lappi telling a Finnish magazine, translated by me
https://www.rallit.fi/esapekka-lappi...la-elamassani/Quote:
Now I go even more nose first, because this car works differently. Diffs and brake ramp(?) work for the first time in my life. In Skoda and Toyota left and right side didn't brake the same way
It has caused some problems having driven six years on a car where these things don't work with the same sense as in this car. Left hand braking to tie the car down comes from the spine and it does not work at all with this car. I had to change my driving style in Sweden when we noticed from the data that I tied too much with the brake. The diff goes onto the brake ramp which lessens the speed and decreases acceleration at the exit of the corner
It's interesting he says left foot braking does not work with the C3. If I remember correctly, Mikkelsen had problems with the car because he doesn't left foot brake...
Also one thing I forgot to report from Rally Sweden, at the finish line of some stage Lappi told Ferm "you cannot take this car in the fast corners like you could on the Toyota..."
The comment about Mikkelsen was for Sardinia, where he started with just a few kms of test without any changes done to the car. Supposedly they changed some dif maps after that and in Poland it was mostly ok. But Meeke who does left-foot brake was driving the car after that half way into 2018 and Østberg who I believe also does it drove it also for most of 2018. Ogier supposedly doesn't left foot brake (that's where Mikkelsen has it from). Latvala also tried to follow Ogier but it didn't go well in 2016 and he changed back.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There were interesting bits in Sweden indeed. Like at the end of SS2. I don't know how to translate mä en tykkää tästä autosta kaasulla, se heti suoristuu toi keula properly, i.e. to maintain its original meaning, but obviously EP didn't like how the front behaved when trying to control the car (at the exit of a corner?) with right foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
If you watch Ogier on-boards he is doing very little LFB compared to the other guys. Maybe Seb O has already figured this out...
Just two posts above....Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...ins-zu-reiger/
Citroen apparently switched from Öhlins to Reiger in Mexico
And Ogier wanted Sachs ZF instead Reiger in M-Sport Ford.
He used Sachs only on asphalt, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I wonder if there's really that much difference between al those shock manufacturers. I can't image that some have secrets that others don't have knowledge about. Or do some have patents?
I don't think it's about being "better" it's more that either the driver knows how they behave which gives him confidence or that their characteristics fit the characteristics of the car.
there are differences.Plenty of times,not small ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
They have all their own know how and strategies and moreover they have to deal with different mindsets and strategies of each manufacturter. Fortunately the number of variations in the whole system (car+driver+conditions) seems to be infinite.
like what? i have not much technical knowledge about shocks, but i can't think of anything that would make them behave in a way that the others can't copy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
One hint. If you copy others you are always like a railway carriage in the train. You can do what you want but you will never come to the railway station ahead of the engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Ogier used ZF in Fiesta on gravel also, now (2019) it's only ZF who delivers dampers for Fiesta WRC, both gravel and tarmac.
Citroen tested different dampers in their C3 on tests before the season, seems Reiger fits them best. And it can be because of many reasons, as every top damper brand is different than the other, but they all are top. No sense to go into too many details here.
of course they can behave different at extreme conditions/temps/very rough gravel etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Another point is how sensitive are, when you change settings/clicks
Another point is how driver feels for the setup or the cars behaviour. His experience etz. There´s not one answer to which setup suits drivers best. Not even brand on suspension...
It's worth changing from damper company A to B if the driver knows how the B dampers work instead of having to test all 50 models from A.
Changing dampers may lead to much more radical change in the whole car setup. Each case is different and IMHO there is no such golden rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yeah I know, but if the driver is facing a new car and 50 dampers he doesn't know or a new car and 50 dampers he knows, the latter solution seems more safe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Will the new R5 Fiesta be on what dampers?Quote:
Originally Posted by br21