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2nd November 2010, 06:38
F1boat

Ferrari did a fantastic job even if there is problem and in the end they lose. But I hope for the best. Still, the engine concerns may be premature as there is rain expected in Brazil. Everything can still happen!
2nd November 2010, 07:07
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Ferrari did a fantastic job even if there is problem and in the end they lose. But I hope for the best. Still, the engine concerns may be premature as there is rain expected in Brazil. Everything can still happen!

Let's be realistic. Ferrari have done an excellent job in the second half of the season but if you look at the season as a whole, both drivers have made too many unforced errors. Alonso would be leading the championship comfortably if it wasn't for HIS mistakes earlier in the year. Having said that, other teams have a similar situation and nobody really deserves this year's championship. For us viewers, though, things are fantastic.
2nd November 2010, 16:03
F1boat

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Let's be realistic. Ferrari have done an excellent job in the second half of the season but if you look at the season as a whole, both drivers have made too many unforced errors. Alonso would be leading the championship comfortably if it wasn't for HIS mistakes earlier in the year. Having said that, other teams have a similar situation and nobody really deserves this year's championship. For us viewers, though, things are fantastic.

Formula One drivers are humans and it is very difficult not to make mistakes in the heat of the season, so I have to say that all five of the contenders for the championship have done a very good job.
2nd November 2010, 21:04
Tazio

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think all three top teams have done a fantastic job in terms of development, but the Red Bull advantage has been a difficult gap to close and so far hasn't been achieved by either Ferrari or Mclaren. They've done well to stay close and keep themselves in the title fight, and as you say all three teams have had drivers making unforced errors. I think if Vettel, Webber, Alonso and Hamilton had kept their noses clean we'd still have a close championship, but if only one of those drivers had made no mistakes, the championship would have been sewn up by now. It could quite easily have been won by the second or third best team by now. Its been a rollercoaster of a season. :)

Very well stated.
3rd November 2010, 03:07
Duchess

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think all three top teams have done a fantastic job in terms of development, but the Red Bull advantage has been a difficult gap to close and so far hasn't been achieved by either Ferrari or Mclaren. They've done well to stay close and keep themselves in the title fight, and as you say all three teams have had drivers making unforced errors. I think if Vettel, Webber, Alonso and Hamilton had kept their noses clean we'd still have a close championship, but if only one of those drivers had made no mistakes, the championship would have been sewn up by now. It could quite easily have been won by the second or third best team by now. Its been a rollercoaster of a season. :)

Could not agree with this more. :up: Mistake-free seasons are extremely rare, and boring anyway!
3rd November 2010, 15:17
jens

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Originally Posted by Duchess

Could not agree with this more. :up: Mistake-free seasons are extremely rare, and boring anyway!

Based on that it's quite impressive, how Alonso managed to get through 2006 season virtually mistake-free despite being involved in a close championship battle.
3rd November 2010, 16:14
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

There are quite a few

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
5th November 2010, 00:41
Tazio

New wing?

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/g...nov/019wri.jpg

That is a very busy T-tray

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/g...nov/022wri.jpg

The Ferrari diffuser looks like it has grown to McLarian proportions :p :

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/g...nov/023wri.jpg
5th November 2010, 03:41
Tazio

No pressure on Massa in Home GP

Quote:

SAO PAULO -- A Brazilian prosecutor warned Felipe Massa that he could be arrested and sentenced to up to six years in prison if he takes team orders to help Ferrari teammate Fernando Alonso win the Formula One title.

Massa could be charged with fraud if he allows Alonso to pass him or if he does anything else that would somehow alter the result Sunday at in Interlagos, according to prosecutor Paulo Castilho, known for taking up sports causes in Brazil.

"Massa or any other driver who does anything to fraud the result of the race can be arrested and formally charged," Castilho told The Associated Press on Thursday. "It doesn't mean that it will happen, it will be up to the local authority in charge of the event to decide whether the law has been broken."

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing...ory?id=5765983

:s ailor: Some people will do anything to get their name in the papers

FM thought that spring hurt his head last season.
Home Boy better be checkin' out " the Grassy Knoll" :erm: :p :
:rotflmao:
5th November 2010, 06:02
Tazio

:s ailor: Avanti

http://www.formula1.com/video/race_edits.html
5th November 2010, 07:08
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing...ory?id=5765983

:s ailor: Some people will do anything to get their name in the papers

FM thought that spring hurt his head last season.
Home Boy better be checkin' out " the Grassy Knoll" :erm: :p :
:rotflmao:

Some people are just an embarrassment to the human race.
5th November 2010, 09:01
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

New wing?

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/g...nov/019wri.jpg

Nope, just a poor Photoshop attempt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

That is a very busy T-tray

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/g...nov/022wri.jpg

Not really, there isn't even a milk jug on it......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

The Ferrari diffuser looks like it has grown to McLarian proportions :p :

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/g...nov/023wri.jpg
5th November 2010, 11:07
Retro Formula 1

Great Pics Mr A
6th November 2010, 09:55
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Formula One drivers are humans and it is very difficult not to make mistakes in the heat of the season, so I have to say that all five of the contenders for the championship have done a very good job.

No they haven't. Michael didn't make so many mistakes in his prime nor did Alain Prost. Alonso did very few mistakes in 2006, the same goes for Räikkönen in 2007. This year has seen a lot of driver errors from top drivers.
6th November 2010, 16:24
Tazio

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

No they haven't. Michael didn't make so many mistakes in his prime nor did Alain Prost. Alonso did very few mistakes in 2006, the same goes for Räikkönen in 2007. This year has seen a lot of driver errors from top drivers.

That does seem to be the case. What do you attribute it to?
Lack of TC?
14th November 2010, 18:48
pallone col bracciale

Congratulations to Red Bull and Vettel. Worthy opponents.
15th November 2010, 05:34
555-04Q2

Good try from the Ferrari team in the second half of the season :up: They may not have made it in the end, but they gave the fastest car on the grid a bloody good run for its money. Hopefully a better start next year and a couple of trophies as well.
15th November 2010, 06:59
pino

Thanks Ferrari, thanks Alonso anyway, you were just beaten by a better Team and a better/faster driver :up: Time to start working hard and concentrate on 2011 season now...

Forza Ferrari !
15th November 2010, 07:15
CaptainRaiden

What do you Ferrari fans think of the management's decision to bring Massa and Alonso in earlier to cover Webber. Even at that point in race, do you think that was a smart move? Especially seeing how some of the mid-fielders pitted during the safety car period. Surely Ferrari would have known about that!

And what about Alonso's gesticulation post race towards Petrov? He was beaten fair and square. Did you think that was unsportsmanlike? Petrov is paid by Renault to get his car into points, not to let Alonso through, so he was only doing his job. Do you think Alonso still needs some maturing to do? Call it the Latin temperament or whatever, because it seems he reacts awkwardly in situations where things didn't go as planned.
15th November 2010, 07:38
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

What do you Ferrari fans think of the management's decision to bring Massa and Alonso in earlier to cover Webber. Even at that point in race, do you think that was a smart move? Especially seeing how some of the mid-fielders pitted during the safety car period. Surely Ferrari would have known about that!

And what about Alonso's gesticulation post race towards Petrov? He was beaten fair and square. Did you think that was unsportsmanlike? Petrov is paid by Renault to get his car into points, not to let Alonso through, so he was only doing his job. Do you think Alonso still needs some maturing to do? Call it the Latin temperament or whatever, because it seems he reacts awkwardly in situations where things didn't go as planned.

Who knows, I've read they pitted Alonso so early because after MW's pit stop the Australian was going faster and then they were risking to fall behind him too and who knows if Petrov hadn't been a good step team mate like Jaime was a few laps before and just let him go.
15th November 2010, 07:39
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by henners88

Ferrari did do well this season and Alonso's drives were class to make up the points to bring it to the last race. I was starting to warm to the guy and appreciate his talents once more and then his behaviour in defeat soured it abit... But hey theres always next year and Ferrari seem a dominant force once more. :)

Nice too see there's still reasonable people on the other side
15th November 2010, 08:04
pino

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Originally Posted by eu

Nice too see there's still reasonable people on the other side

Exactly, wish we had more people like henners88 in here :up:
15th November 2010, 08:23
ArrowsFA1

I'd like to thank Ferrari (or should that be Alonso?) for taking the title down to the wire. The Brits at McLaren didn't quite have enough for the Red Bulls over the season but Alonso, in an inferior car, almost pulled it off.

Perhaps he couldn't have done it without Felipe's help at Hockenheim but that who team orders issue is water under the bridge now and will hopefully be finally resolved by the FIA before next season. Even without those extra points Alonso showed that he is probably the best all-round driver on the grid, although we could have done without his frustration at Petrov boiling over at the end of the race.

Ferrari, under Stefano Domenicali, have done a good job this year and will probably be even better in 2011.
15th November 2010, 11:04
jens

Alonso's second half of the season was mighty impressive. Can never count him out even if the situation looks tough, like it was in mid-season. In 2008 he also suddenly and unexpectedly pulled off two race wins after a horrible start into the season. But 2011 will be another opportunity and it's really impossible not to consider him among the biggest favourites for the crown, so perhaps he will reach that third WDC in coming seasons after many years of waiting.
15th November 2010, 11:43
airshifter

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

What do you Ferrari fans think of the management's decision to bring Massa and Alonso in earlier to cover Webber. Even at that point in race, do you think that was a smart move? Especially seeing how some of the mid-fielders pitted during the safety car period. Surely Ferrari would have known about that!

And what about Alonso's gesticulation post race towards Petrov? He was beaten fair and square. Did you think that was unsportsmanlike? Petrov is paid by Renault to get his car into points, not to let Alonso through, so he was only doing his job. Do you think Alonso still needs some maturing to do? Call it the Latin temperament or whatever, because it seems he reacts awkwardly in situations where things didn't go as planned.

I don't think they had much choice in regards to the stop. The Red Bull cars were fast on the prime tire, and they couldn't lose position to Webber. Both Webber and Alonso were losing time to those ahead, and you can't move forward by going backwards. It didn't work in the end, but wasn't a bad call in my opinion.

As for the Petrov thing, I'm sure it was pure frustration, and probably something Alonso will regret. His comments in following days will show what he thinks.

Both Alonso and Ferrari learned that they will not always be on top. Hopefully they will come back strong and rise to the greatness they have had in past years. Considering the strength of the Red Bull cars this season there should be no shame in almost earning another WDC.
15th November 2010, 21:37
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I'd like to thank Ferrari (or should that be Alonso?) for taking the title down to the wire. The Brits at McLaren didn't quite have enough for the Red Bulls over the season but Alonso, in an inferior car, almost pulled it off.

Perhaps he couldn't have done it without Felipe's help at Hockenheim but that who team orders issue is water under the bridge now and will hopefully be finally resolved by the FIA before next season. Even without those extra points Alonso showed that he is probably the best all-round driver on the grid, although we could have done without his frustration at Petrov boiling over at the end of the race.

Alonso can thank the incompetence of Red Bull that he was ever in a position to win, despite his huge number of mistakes this year.
16th November 2010, 07:18
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Alonso can thank the incompetence of Red Bull that he was ever in a position to win, despite his huge number of mistakes this year.

Nice signiture. prettly shameless considering who started a thread about how is Schumi going to destroy Rosberg. The same clueless guy was stating somewhere else that Massa is going to beat Alonso and everyone will see just how bad he actually is. It's quite clear you know nothing about f1 and not even pure logic helps you. You just come here doing your best to start a fight with silly statements.
16th November 2010, 07:40
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I'd like to thank Ferrari (or should that be Alonso?) for taking the title down to the wire. The Brits at McLaren didn't quite have enough for the Red Bulls over the season but Alonso, in an inferior car, almost pulled it off.

Perhaps he couldn't have done it without Felipe's help at Hockenheim but that who team orders issue is water under the bridge now and will hopefully be finally resolved by the FIA before next season. Even without those extra points Alonso showed that he is probably the best all-round driver on the grid, although we could have done without his frustration at Petrov boiling over at the end of the race.

Ferrari, under Stefano Domenicali, have done a good job this year and will probably be even better in 2011.

Alonso was very good at this season's latter part but to me Ferrari are on a downward spiral and next year is a big question mark.

In 2008 Ferrari won the constructors championship, 2009 they were third and again this year they were third. They've had a mediocre car for two years now, although this year's car was better than the one they had last year.
16th November 2010, 16:48
jens

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Alonso was very good at this season's latter part but to me Ferrari are on a downward spiral and next year is a big question mark.

In 2008 Ferrari won the constructors championship, 2009 they were third and again this year they were third. They've had a mediocre car for two years now, although this year's car was better than the one they had last year.

Umm, I would say this year's car was quite decent with the exception of some tough races (like Turkey). Overall I'd say that Ferrari had a better car than McLaren, but the Woking team had a more balanced driver line-up, which turned the WCC battle in their favour. 2010 F10 was far from mediocre (I don't think you can call second best car like that), actually I would be more concerned about McLaren's future than Ferrari's. McLaren has seemed slightly inferior to Ferrari ever since 2006 and in 2010 they were struggling with car development somewhat, especially since mid-season they were seriously stagnated.
16th November 2010, 19:09
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by jens

Umm, I would say this year's car was quite decent with the exception of some tough races (like Turkey). Overall I'd say that Ferrari had a better car than McLaren, but the Woking team had a more balanced driver line-up, which turned the WCC battle in their favour. 2010 F10 was far from mediocre (I don't think you can call second best car like that), actually I would be more concerned about McLaren's future than Ferrari's. McLaren has seemed slightly inferior to Ferrari ever since 2006 and in 2010 they were struggling with car development somewhat, especially since mid-season they were seriously stagnated.

Maybe mediocre is a bit of an overstatement but the fact is the constructor's championship shows a downward spiral. Ferrari's unbalanced line-up was of their own making, first by choosing an injured Massa over Räikkönen and then demoralising Massa by making him move over at Hockenheim. Alonso, however, was very good after Massa had lost his form, so it seems Alonso still needs a weak team mate and the attention of the team to perform, which he did.
16th November 2010, 19:50
Tazio

Ferrari had a good year and developed the car quite well. I don't think they have an edge on McLaren goining into 2011. McLaren started with a car that was not as easy to modify right out of the gate. I doubt that they will make that mistake again.
:s ailor: With "The Boss" they are always in the WDC fight. :vader:
16th November 2010, 21:09
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by henners88

I was talking about another poster in my post above not Garry, my mistake.. I'd forgotten Garry started the thread about Schumacher beating Rosberg. :)

It´s ok. We all know who´s missing but not missed :laugh:
20th November 2010, 09:54
AJP

I'm sure you have all probably seen this, but I'll add it just in case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGnQn...layer_embedded

I really want to go on this ride... :)

The acceleration looks amazing !
20th November 2010, 11:44
N4D13

I'm amazed at how people call Alonso's first half of the season "terrible" and "full of mistakes". Here are the mistakes I think he's done over the entire season:

- Australia - Got knocked out in the start. I don't think it's a mistake but a racing incident - and it was 50-50 IMHO.
- China - jumped start - ok, 100% mistake.
- Monaco - crashed in practice. It was driver mistake all the way, but he was extremely unlucky to wreck his chassis. Other drivers have crashed heavily during practice (e.g. Hamilton in Germany) but haven't been drawn so much criticism because they could take part in quali.
- Silverstone - overtaking Kubica that way might could have been a mistake, but not giving the place back wasn't his fault.
- Belgium - crashed out in tricky conditions. Driver mistake again.

So, basically, I would only count the China jumpstart and the Belgium accident - maybe Monaco as well if you like, but I've already stated that he was extremely unfortunate there - a mistake during practice ruined his race.

Am I missing any mistake or something? In any case, I think that calling Alonso's first half of the season "terrible" is, at least, rather harsh.
20th November 2010, 11:57
ioan

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Originally Posted by N4D13

- Monaco - crashed in practice. It was driver mistake all the way, but he was extremely unlucky to wreck his chassis.
...
So, basically, I would only count the China jumpstart and the Belgium accident - maybe Monaco as well if you like...

WTH?
First you say it was a driver mistake than you start talking BS about the very same incident. Impressive!
:laugh:

It's not about what we would like, it's all about FACTS! But who am I kidding?!
20th November 2010, 11:57
UltimateDanGTR

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Originally Posted by N4D13

I'm amazed at how people call Alonso's first half of the season "terrible" and "full of mistakes". Here are the mistakes I think he's done over the entire season:

- Australia - Got knocked out in the start. I don't think it's a mistake but a racing incident - and it was 50-50 IMHO.
- China - jumped start - ok, 100% mistake.
- Monaco - crashed in practice. It was driver mistake all the way, but he was extremely unlucky to wreck his chassis. Other drivers have crashed heavily during practice (e.g. Hamilton in Germany) but haven't been drawn so much criticism because they could take part in quali.
- Silverstone - overtaking Kubica that way might could have been a mistake, but not giving the place back wasn't his fault.
- Belgium - crashed out in tricky conditions. Driver mistake again.

So, basically, I would only count the China jumpstart and the Belgium accident - maybe Monaco as well if you like, but I've already stated that he was extremely unfortunate there - a mistake during practice ruined his race.

Am I missing any mistake or something? In any case, I think that calling Alonso's first half of the season "terrible" is, at least, rather harsh.

I wouldn't call the first half of Alonso's season 'terrible' as such, because that is rather harsh IMO, but certainly a poor first half for him.

Australia looked like his fault to me.
China was his fault.
Monaco was his fault he crashed, but if it was anywhere else he may not have ended up in the barrier.
Britain was his fault-I dont understand why he didnt give the place back.
Belgium was ofcourse his mistake, though many made mistakes that weekend, including race winner Hamilton.

For his standards he made silly mistakes in the early part of the season, and seemed to be very grumpy and not a happy bunny until Germany. still, he actually got good results in Australia, China and Monaco somehow-some through luck it would seem, others through good strategy (Monaco in particular)

He was immense near the end of the season bar Yas Marina, but he wasnt the Fernando Alonso on track we know in the early races. unfortunatly he was still the same off the track though.
20th November 2010, 21:46
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by ioan

WTH?
First you say it was a driver mistake than you start talking BS about the very same incident. Impressive!
:laugh:

It's not about what we would like, it's all about FACTS! But who am I kidding?!

Noone. We all know to take what you say for what it is. I ll be civilzed and I want be as specific as your are. He explained it quite well but noone wonders you didn't get it bobo.
21st November 2010, 04:45
Roamy

volkswagon having anything to do with Ferrari is like putting a terd on your New York rare with a bottle of 10 year old cab !!
22nd November 2010, 21:24
CNR

I hope for massa that this is F'''en BullS''''
Adrian Sutil to Ferrari?
http://www.timesleader.com/sports/sp...o_Ferrari.html

Quote:

BBC F1 pundit Jonathan Legard is reporting on his Twitter page that the future of Felipe Massa is far from certain. While this may not be a total surprise, what is most unbelievable is that Force India driver Adrian Sutil is being lined up to replace him at Ferrari.
22nd November 2010, 22:06
ioan

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

I hope for massa that this is F'''en BullS''''
Adrian Sutil to Ferrari?
http://www.timesleader.com/sports/sp...o_Ferrari.html

It could be only good for Massa if it happens, he doesn't deserve the crap Ferrari is giving him.
Though one has to feel really bad for Sutil taking up the 'Alonso is faster than you, confirm that you understood the message!' role.

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