Is Rally de Portugal confirmed fo 2010??!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
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Is Rally de Portugal confirmed fo 2010??!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Sorry, I don't have that info yet. I guess we have to wait till tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Is it going to be the same rally as this year? The tarmac one?Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
I have nothing against Bulgaria (it's pretty damn beautiful place what I know) but I'm thinking is the decision right. From what I've seen the onboards, the stages are pretty fast and somewhat "dirty" tarmac. This combined to some comments said after Guglielmini's tragic death about the nature of the stages makes me think are they suitable for WRC cars. Call me a too-safety-conserned-rally-fan if you want... :rolleyes:
I just made some "investigation" regarding the average speed in tarmac rallies driven in the WRC during last few years and then compared them to ERC Rally Bulgaria's average speed. Due to the fact that Rally Bulgaria was cut short because of the fatal accident, I did my best trying to compare a single leg results from the WRC so that the comparisons could be called atleast "a some comparison".
In Monte Carlo the leg average speeds were from the mid-90s to somewhere around 115kph. In Germany they have been from 90kph to a bit over a hundred. In Spain they've been around 105kph.
ERC Rally Bulgaria leg one had an average speed of 104,1 kph with Super 2000 cars (obviously). On gravel the difference between WRC's and a S2000's average speeds is somewhere from four to ten kph (Athanassoulas in Greece/Hänninen in Finland, from the overall results). Dunno about tarmac though.
On the paper the rally doesn't look ultra-fast compared to other WRC tarmac events, but there's always the "room-for-errors" factor involved too...
The problem with Rally Bulgaria may be the safety of the spectators, because we have seen that WRC cars can resist from pretty strong impacts!!!!
Oh ok thanks, i asked because from the possible calendar for next year, Rally de Portugal is listed for 30 May. And that's not a good date for our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
The date we had this year was good because people and kidas were in vacation. In may most of the people are working!!!!
Yes, it will be the same rally as the ERC, but some stages may change. There are plenty of mountain roads in that area. I'm not sure, but FIA has limit about the top average speed, so I guess the rally has to comply with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Yes, the rally as it is is very fast. Even worst, there are some very slow sections which means the fast sections are really fast, but as I said, that may change.
Yes, that's quite right. That's why this year event tested something new, designated spectators areas. I know many don't like this, but it will be strictly enforced. We, the Bulgarians, are very undisciplined people and the organizers clearly understand the risk with spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Good idea, they are still doing everything for killing WRC. And this is another step...
Max has guaranteed another vote for Todt...
Where're the Finns last few days?
No Rally Argentina 2010?
bad decicion of WRC
the fans of Argentina, Chile, Brasil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru,
were mobilized by the rally in Cordoba for by twenty-nine years... I hope we can get something like Bulgaria ... :(
Cabaio, welcome in more interesting championship, than is WRC :)
So Acropolis maybe in IRC next year...
We'll see how unteresting for the crews will be to go on the other side of the globe. For most privateers it's impossible to have their car for several weeks on the ship. IRC is interesting only in Europe where there are many privateers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
5 years ago it was about 10000 GBP to flight a car from GB to Australia..
IRC?Quote:
Originally Posted by CABAIO E'LONA
Sad for Argentina, nothing against Bulgaria (although I confess I don't like the idea of another tarmac rally in the calender, just put two snow rallies then, if you want some variety !), but Argentina is better from every point of views (very particular stages, amazing crowd - millions of people !).
Well although argentina was a great event as far as stages go...i am happy to that that this disgracefull organisational joke is out... firetrucks on rally cars. rocks through the windows of cars, logs to block the road., cancellations of stages and even whole days....bye bye have fun.
Another Tarmac Rally?? There are only 2 this year, it's meant to be a fair mix between surfaces, not a bias in favour of one over another, even allowing for the fact Tarmac is normally quite boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
Too right Andy, current mix in WRC is a bit of a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
...Although the events are now certain, the date of Rally Bulgaria remains to be finalised. Currently it is scheduled to finish on 11 July, but a move one week earlier or later seems likely to prevent a clash with the FIFA World Cup Final which takes place on the same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Next year's WRC calendar (with Sunday finish dates)
1. Sweden: 14/02/10
2. Mexico: 07/03/10
3. Jordan: 04/04/10
4. Turkey: 18/04/10
5. New Zealand: 09/05/10
6. Portugal: 30/05/10
7. Bulgaria*: 11/07/10
8. Finland: 01/08/10
9. Germany: 22/08/10
10. Japan: 12/09/10
11. France: 03/10/10
12. Spain: 24/10/10
13. GB: 14/11/10
*date to be confirmed
With Bulgaria on tarmac, the 2010 claandre wil have 4 tarmac rounds out of 13 : Bulgaria, Germany, France and Spain. Or do Spain and France have plans for a mixed event?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Heared Spain could be mixed surfaces in 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
It's 100% sure that France will be only tarmac.
And Catalunya is not likely to have gravel stages...
Tarmac is becoming too dangerous, it's not even spectacular to spectate live/watch in tv for now and there's a Citroen/Loeb domination xD !Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
This year was good with only 2 events, but next year with 4 ... omg ... at least bring some mixed events, I agree. More Cyprus-kinda ^^;
No, no, no and again no-tarmac events must exist !! To be a world champion you must drive (and win!!) also some tarmac events!! Otherwise you are yust a gravel champion-at the highest level of rallying this is unacceptable for me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
Again-true world champion must have on his account wins on gravel, snow and tarmac !!
Safety must provide organizers, drivers and their teams must ensure that they are competitive on any surface.
Yet up until this current generation of drivers (Hirvonen, Loeb, Solberg etc) each & every world champion was supported by team-mates on the events in which they struggled. Toivonen was different but unfortunately he never won a World Championship.
Hirvonen will debut the Fiesta S2000 at the IRC Scotland running as course car.
Please count Loeb out - he has won on every surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
I don't know, I prefer gravel/snow when I look at the concept of 'rally'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Tarmac has became like circuit racing since years... cars on trail, dangerous, and boring to watch (WRC mainly).
This year we had only 2 tarmac in WRC :p perfect number !
I agree Helstar - if it were up to me we'd have one semi-tarmac e.g. Monte Carlo or Ireland, one tarmac e.g. Tour de Corse, one/two snow and the rest various gravels.
I'm sure Argentinians won't regret their rally is IRC instead of WRC next year when they see in live the event :rolleyes:
Please don't make the confusion. Tarmac has become boring in WRC because now the stages follow large highways... This would be much different if we'd get back to narrow roads (as the new IRC montecarlo...).
To Helstar :
The concept of 'rally' is different in every country I guess...
For example in the USA it is more a dirt and extreme concept, as you might have seen the last XGames in Los Angeles.
As WRC is basically a world championship, this would be better to gather all kinds of these concept, and thus, every kind of surfaces...
What about quarters ? 1/4 tarmac, 1/4 snow, 1/4 dirt, 1/4 gravel ?
Tarmac boring? Ehh... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E7kpk4V7qgQuote:
Originally Posted by Shadoh
If that's boring, then I'll suggest a visit to a doctor. :D The only boooooring tarmac rally IMHO is this upcoming highway rally of Spain...
This just might happen. Simon Long has told that possibly WRC could make an entrance to United States with X-Games style. I'm not so enthusiastic about it though... But I'll guess that would appeal to I-want-to-see-something-extreme type Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadoh
EDIT.Whoopsie, I understood that one completely wrong. My bad. Not such a bad idea at all... Although I prefer gravel and snow, but some "special" tarmac ones are must too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadoh
Duval is terminatin'..
Spain is the most boring rally for sure :\Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Seeing Duval onboard you understand that Germany is really dangerous ... infact Galli had his worst accident there (and it wasn't even his fault).
Also I don't see all this "spectacle", I mean, do we really want to compare it to this one ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdL93smEMvo&fmt18 THIS is rallying ... throwing the car sideways, jumping dozens of mts, lots of work with the wheel (Gigi style), and so on !
I don't find tarmac boring. I find events that don't utilise the best roads available boring. See Tour de Corse of late, for instance.
I find all those mediterreanian gravel rallies more boring then tarmac.
I hope to come at least ten s2000 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Petter Solberg is entered for the Citroen Junior team for the Rally GB, alongside Sebastien Ogier. Is he entering with is ow team under the Junior banner or will his car be prepared/controled by Citroen?