Should f1 run coupes?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'm sorry but the last few pages were specifically in regards to the canopy :dozey: I didn't change my mind, the FIA started investigating canopies and that was what were were discussing in case you hadn't noticed :confused:

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In case you haden't noticed your thread title was "Should F1 run coupes?"

I'm sure Mark could make another poll thread about whether F1 should run canopies. It might even improve to an 80/20 split. :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

Theres alot of nitpicking going on here as we have discussed the potential of having 'windscreens' for this entire thread, and this is not massively different to having a completely closed cockpit. Canopy/windscreen same ballpark and same outcome, so lets not try and say the poll is now invalid over a minor technicality.

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Surely there is a big difference between having a coupe with a fixed solid roof that is integral to the stressbearing structure of the car as the OP title suggested and a canopy which is a non-stressbearing structure? The former will require doors to get in and out, the latter won't but access will be significantly more difficult if the canopy is damaged or the car is upside down. Also the curvature of the screens would be completely different.

I'm still against both coupes and canopies in F1 but my arguments against either would be different. Some people may agree with one but not the other.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Is the proposed implementation of a canopy different in purpose to the introduction of windscreens on F1 cars? If I have missed the point then sorry but I thought both are suggested to make racing safer for the driver. That being the main focus in this debate I thought? If its purely for aesthetical reasons then my apologies.

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Of course it's not for aesthetical reasons.

As Dylan says, a coupe is vastly different to an F1 car with a fighter style canopy on it

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2347/...b9d890efc2.jpg
http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/cartech/f1canopy.jpg

Hence why asking in the poll should F1 run coupes is a completely different question to asking whether they should run with a canopy to protect the driver.

A canopy is far different than a coupe IMHO, but neither belong in F1 for a host of reasons as we have all discussed. Bringing back a windscreen brings up visibility issues but it would be a viable option as that can be designed to be removable by the driver for egress like the cockpit horseshoe is now. Looking at the seating position and height of most of the drivers, they only need a screen of maybe 6" to provide more protection. They brought the cockpit sides up to protect the driver, however maybe a change in the regs could push the high noses of the cars back down a few inches to allow better forward visibility through a windscreen. It could gret rid of the high nose style cars as well which wouldn't be a horrible thing IMHO.
an evolution of this with a screen just a scoshe higher to ensure the driver's helment is lower than the top of the screen. current polycarbonates are clear, bullet proof and certainly strong enough to provide protection.

http://carsincontext.us/images/IRL/1980-Chaparral.jpg

I see Dan and I were typing at the same time...

It doesn't need to be and shouldn't be fully enclosed unless you are going to include air conditioning, oxygen and onboard fire suppression.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

In case you haden't noticed your thread title was "Should F1 run coupes?"

I'm sure Mark could make another poll thread about whether F1 should run canopies. It might even improve to an 80/20 split. :)

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In case dogs fly boobies on the underground fart face bum orange GOAT jelly.

Seriously, what the hell does this have to do with the price of eggs in China? Sure the thread was about should F1 run coupe's but then the thread more or less stopped and someone posted about F1 testing a CANOPY system and that was discussed for a few pages and then it was requested

I posted this

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But the thing is that covering the cockpits changes doesn't fundamentally change the racing. Neither does making the rear wings narrower or getting rid of winglets, double diffusers or exhaust blown diffusers.

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then Arrows posted this

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Could we have a vote on it?

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So it's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't being silly for the sake of it, that the poll requested was whether F1 cars should run a canopy, to be fair it's not up to Pino to read through pages and pages of crap, perhaps it should have been more clearly stated.

Tbh there's no excuse for your nitpicking as henners calls it, grow up and discuss the topic and stop trying to have an argument over nothing.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Maybe when I reopened this thread to discuss the canopy tests the FIA were running I should have created a new thread for it as it has nothing to do with turning F1 cars into coupe's. Two different concepts although I had thought the discussion was more in line with driver safety rather than the design issues. My mistake. Maybe we can transfer discussion to a relevent thread?

Also thanks for pointing out the difference between a coupe and an open cockpit F1 car. They look so similar I would never had told the difference lol.

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I wasn't trying to be patronising if that's what you mean :)

Tbh I've asked Pino to delete this thread, it hurts my ****ing head so much. As I said in my report, the FIA will do whatever they do and tbh it'll either happen or not happen regardless of what people on some forum think. The fact that the FIA are looking into it says that they feel that it's a serious issue worth looking into and I think that says a lot about the issue.

You shouldn't have to start another thread just because some people are hard of understanding, it was pretty clear for anyone reading through the thread as to what was being discussed at what stage.

I'd like to thank people like yourself, Dylan and Arrows who were able to be sensible about the issue and not act in an embarassing manner like some other people.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'd like to thank people like yourself, Dylan and Arrows who were able to be sensible about the issue and not act in an embarassing manner like some other people.

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Like this, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

In case dogs fly boobies on the underground fart face bum orange GOAT jelly.

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:)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Like this, perhaps?



:)

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Don't quote Daniel contradicting his insults.


You asked a question Daniel, and got an answer. As a matter of fact I answered both the open wheel and canopy aspects and suggested something similar to what Nigelred posted above concerning a windscreen without an enclosed canopy. I also stated my reasons for not wanting enclosed wheels.

You commented to Mark that the poll was silly, yet never requested any specific question, nor did anyone else suggest anything other than a poll. Being the thread title was a question they obviously felt that was the question for the poll.

If you don't like the responses you're getting, get over it. As much as you may feel otherwise everyone else on here is just as entitled to their opinion. The big difference seems to be that you can insult others, but can't take the slightest ribbing in return. As the saying goes, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I strongly favor something like this: Google Images

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Don't quote Daniel contradicting his insults.

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You are insulted by random gibberish? :confused: You Knockie and Wilko should form a love triangle, you seem to get on rather well I think :) Now I know that could be considered an insult, but I genuinely feel that you guys would get on well.....