Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by Rollo

This is related, and may be a useful guide for the principle involved here:

New driving code of conduct for V8s - Speedcafe
It outlines new passing procedures that underline the car’s B pillar as the strict passing point that an overtaking car must achieve at the approach, apex and exit of any corner.

Effectively the B-Pillar on an F1 car is that point at which cockpit meets engine cover at the rollover hoop. I don't think that Lewis' front wheel ever passed that point and therefore no effective pass was ever made.

Since the fault of accidents is almost always incumbent on the following car, then this accident was Lewis' fault; the video hasn't changed my opinion of that.



+1 to this.

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I would say the front wing is the A pillar and the rear wing the B pillar :p :

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think F1 drivers who drive fast for a living should pay close attention to discussion forums full of armchair experts who infact understand fully what its like to approach a corner, and drive around it, even if split second decisions are better understood from within the car. I had no idea how to approach St. Devote until a few minutes ago, but I do now. I also know exactly what went through Pastor and Lewis's head in the seconds leading up to their incident. They are right when they say all the answers are on the internet.

Hoot Your Trap Off

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Some of us "armchair critics" are actually people who have raced before, maybe not an F1 car (I would give both my nuts for the opportunity), but the principles of racing are all the same.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

I don't think Maldonado can be criticsed too harshly because Hamilton was probably in his blind spot by the time they collided.

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Pastor is not some old biddy filling out their insurance claim after driving into an overtaking car on the motorway, he is an F1 driver and should know better.

Blind spot my 4r53!

Besides, if you think something may be in your 'blind spot' you turn your head to ckeck. Blind faith is best left to lemmings.... ;)

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Originally Posted by henners88

I've raced karts for many years, but I am no expert around Monaco and certainly not when it comes to commenting on what a Formula One driver should be thinking in the seconds when decelerating from 180mph.


Here's a good amateur video of the Massa incident. Both at fault IMO. Massa turns in way too early and Lewis shouldn't have been there.

YouTube - ‪Monaco F1 tight squeeze around the Fairmont famous Hairpin turn‬‏

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Racing is racing, some cars are just faster than others, but your driving ability and the ability to handle the car should go up as you move to the higher formula's. If you can't handle it or make the right decisions you should not be racing in that formula. The basic principles of racing and how to overtake as is being discussed here is the same from karting right through to F1.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Racing is racing, some cars are just faster than others, but your driving ability and the ability to handle the car should go up as you move to the higher formula's. If you can't handle it or make the right decisions you should not be racing in that formula. The basic principles of racing and how to overtake as is being discussed here is the same from karting right through to F1.

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Are you therefore suggesting Pastor is not ready for big boy F1?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Are you therefore suggesting Pastor is not ready for big boy F1?

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No, I'm suggesting that Hammy had a brain fade. Hammy is brilliant around Monaco, always has been in any formula he's raced there. Dare I even say he's better than Senna ever was around Monaco? But you would not have though that after watching him crash into everyone last Sunday.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

No, I'm suggesting that Hammy had a brain fade. Hammy is brilliant around Monaco, always has been in any formula he's raced there. Dare I even say he's better than Senna ever was around Monaco? But you would not have though that after watching him crash into everyone last Sunday.

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Ah, but Lewis has not had an 'out of body' qualifying experience yet, so he's a way to go before he's better that Ayrton round there.....

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Racing is racing, some cars are just faster than others, but your driving ability and the ability to handle the car should go up as you move to the higher formula's. If you can't handle it or make the right decisions you should not be racing in that formula. The basic principles of racing and how to overtake as is being discussed here is the same from karting right through to F1.

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The basic principles are that if there is an opponent alongside you, then you don't turn in on him. I have been karting for many years and done some single seater races but never have I not realised an opponent is beside me in the position Hammy was in. You can hear it, you can sense it and you can see it in your mirrors.

Hammy had no brain fade. We've seen far more daring maneuvers than that pulled off in the past.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Ah, but Lewis has not had an 'out of body' qualifying experience yet, so he's a way to go before he's better that Ayrton round there.....

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Define "out of body" :p :

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Hammy had no brain fade.

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I think Massa, Mouldy and Co. would disagree with you here ;)

Last Sunday was not the normal Hammy that we all love to see racing. It was as if someone like Crashing Sato or Swerving Irvine was sitting in that Macca...not Hammy.