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Originally Posted by DexDexter
my point is..them stewards gave Lewis a penalty..for the reasons you mentioned above..taking advantage for goin of the track..Kimi does the same in the first corner..goin of the track...Keeping a better momentum and passing Massa soon after..why he not got a drive true ? Would love to hear thoughts about this ?
If he did gain an advantage - in the best interests of the sport maybe they should have given him a fine. Then starting next season make the rules on what you can/can't do and what you should do if you do cut a chicane. As far as McLaren/Hamilton were concerned, Lewis moved over and let Kimi through as they thought you are supposed to do. Only to find this wasn't enough. Whether right or wrong, the sport is made to look increasingly ridiculous and more WWE by the day.
It's "drive through", not "drive true," although that is no doubt a useful sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke
You might also ask why Kimi was not penalised for staying on the runoff at Pouhon, getting better grip from the abrasive tarmac and overtaking Rosberg and Lewis.
Perhaps the FIA does not penalise these because in both cases rather than cutting the corner Kimi instead went around the outside of the corner?
oops ok sorry..My English is not always that perfect ! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
well the rules showed me today not say that :
***30.3 a) During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the
provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits.
b) Other than by driving on the track, Competitors are not permitted to attempt to alter the grip of any
part of the track surface***
Perhaps the case of Kimi passing Massa is not considered as competitor. No sooner has Massa noticed it was his teammate overtaking him, when he gave the line to Kimi. There is not any further incident prompted by this maneuver. Such practice defines all times to observe provision of the code and deemed behaviorally legal, in conformity with the rules. :)
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Originally Posted by leopardsleeping
it's not about the actual pass..it is about the rule that someone showed me today..
***Other than by driving on the track, Competitors are not permitted to attempt to alter the grip of any part of the track surface *
a rule Kimi (and a bunch of others) clearly broke there...and why he not got a penalty for that ? Anyone can clearify this for me ?
Drivers have always used the outside line after the first corner in Spa and for some reason the FIA has always allowed it to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke
drivers also have always cut of chicanes.....and when giving back position..Fia always allowed it to happen....till last sunday !Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
that's why he got penalized and we keep discussing the matter here... because he clearly conceded the position! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
This is the rub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke
Drivers cut chicanes and go off all the time.
Sometimes they give the place back as stipulated by the FIA and they are not further penalised.
Sometimes they don't give the place back and are penalised with a stop go or if it's within 5 laps of the end of the race, they get a 25 sec post race penalty.
Sometimes they don't give it back and are let off.
Never, NEVER have they given it back and then been punished for adhearing to the FIA regulations as confirmed by Charlie Whiting.
I have not seen any comment supporting this decision from anyone other than Ferrari but we know that a multiple WDC and ex-Ferrari driver has slammed this decision as the worst in F1's history (and that isn't easy).
We are going to see many more people doing the same.
At the end of the day, if you think this is fair then nothing will change your mind because you are biased against McLaren. It's a farce.
Still no point debating it because this isn't a discussion on what is right and fair but about fans that want their team to win by fair means or foul.