Or at least if they add another European Rally make it a Tarmac event, if not, add NZ already!!!
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Or at least if they add another European Rally make it a Tarmac event, if not, add NZ already!!!
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Well, would it be based in Istanbul? The majority of past editions were based in the Asian part, so not a European rally. But I agree that there are other rallies I'd rather see in the calendar...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
From inside info that WRC will be around Marmaris bay area which is a touristic part at south
We raced last year a draft of possible stages which are really rough and crazy :)
We will see this year addition
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Here is Marmaris Rally Turkey 2016 English review from RacingAction, if you guys are interested: https://youtu.be/4Xs0VEF8B70
I think it's important at this point to choose events that bring some kind of value (other than a payed fee) to the championship. That can mean a interesting or unique event (either by surface or geography) or an event in a market that justifies the budget to go there. I hope they don't do the same mistake as in mid 2000's to add more events that leads to fewer cars, MSport and it seems also Citroen already have budget problems. I think it's better to have more top level cars than more rallies.
NZ would be nice as it's an iconic rally but Turkey was also interesting when it was part of the WRC. Japan would be interesting as well especially now since Toyota is back.
I personally love NZ stages they are uniqie.
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But for the teams NZ is expensive. I personally love to see NZ back.
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From Hayden Paddons twitter
@HaydenPaddon
RALLY FANS please RT this to show what the fans + WRC want/need - Rally New Zealand! This is a last ditch effort, it's now or never #2018
It's expensive for sure, but if it's after or before Australia it would make sense. I'm assuming Australia would be on its way out if NZ is not on the calendar. As long as we have a few events outside of Europe such as Mexico and Argentina it's good.
I for one would never spectate Australia after spectating Finland, Mexico or Germany. It's the worst rally I've been to spectating wise.
It reminds me a bit of Cyprus, but IMHO Cyprus is a lot tougher...still annoyed though that they took away NZ like that, who knows when NZ will be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sch17
Last year have unexpected rain for two days and things get weirdQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
A little Cyprus A little Acropol Lots of Kemer Wrc from 2008 if someone remember
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Turkey rally location seems beautiful!
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Originally Posted by seb_sh
Money, I suspect. A bit of government support can go a long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Do the events pay the promoter for their inclusion?
Cyprus if it can not go to NZ.
Gronholm and Sainz 2001 https://youtu.be/Ri8thRySMLY?t=11m39s
https://youtu.be/eXeCLayD1PA?t=24m12s (2000 cyprus) 24.40 Colin wearing shorts and t shirt on stages.
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...n-statt-polen/
I know it isn't any new news, but it does say that Estonia has intentions of it's own to run instead of Poland and it seems that NZ won't be there next year, because it's too expensive.... well how about they just drop Australia for crying out loud and put NZ where it belongs...I mean come on 27 entries last year? and since it's not in Perth it's not even close to be a unique event like NZ. But hey this is the World Rally Championship, so what if they have 10 European events, as long as the other 3 are outside Europe it's a world championship right???
As much as I like a new round outside of Europe we have to consider three things:
1. Which round outside of Europe which is not running right now has a real tradition in WRC? New Zealand and Safari probably, Japan as well... But it's a very short list! And I don't want to lose a round in Europe. Poland maybe, but anything else would be a real loss!
2. If a 14th, 15th or 16th round would be added to the calendar it could happen that M-Sport and Citroën leave the WRC. This can't be our aim...
3. There are only a few, few countries outside of Europe who have got a local rally scene. Some in South America (such as Argentina or Paraguay), New Zealand and Australia indeed, the championships in the US and in South Africa are a joke... I may have forgotten some (China, Lebanon...), but definitely not
many!
So to be honest, I would like to see the calendar to stay like it is. Australia could be replaced with New Zealand, they could move to Sanremo instead of Sardinia, but that's pretty much it! At least that's my opinion... Others are more than welcome!
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He better not crash that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Colin Clark speculating about Citroen, but more interesting views about the calendar.
https://www.facebook.com/voiceofrall...0934163402582/
Not really heard this argument much before but he's advocating (for now) a 'chequebook calendar' of sorts - where new rallies pay to be in the championship. But that extra funding allows WRC Promoter more funds to actually promote the sport (and turn a profit), like in F1.
Then he says Ciesla's long-term vision (2020 and beyond) is 16 rounds - 8 European rounds, 4 in the Americas, and 4 in Asia/Australasia. A true world championship.
So if they can grow the championship and somehow get the teams onboard with major global expansion then it kind of makes sense. Albeit you'll need to eventually cut 2-3 European rallies to make that all fit.
Ciesla always says this stuff. 16 events are too many, even the teams said that more than once. I agree that the World Championship should be less Euro-centric, but let's be honest, what are the alternatives? 4 rounds in Asia/Australasia is really the maximum I can think of: Australia, NZ, maybe Turkey if it's in the Asian part and maybe a round from APRC (Japan, Malaysia, Thailand?). 4 in the Americas sound too many: Argentina, Mexico (not a fan of it but alright) and then? North American rally scene is very poor. Another one in South America (Chile, Paraguay)? I'd rather have 2 in America and 1 in Africa, but we know the situations in Kenya and South Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
1 or 2 European rounds can go but I'd rather have a quality Euro-centric WRC than rallies with a couple of entries in countries with 0 tradition. (the ones I've mentioned all have decent national championships and tradition, but I remember there were talks for the future about India, Korea...)
16 rounds is surely unworkable? And it's not going to please the teams with regards to budgets. Cut your cloth accordingly....
I, like others would rather see 10-12 proper high quality events that show this sport in the best light. Rather than 16 identikit events, some of which are only in because of £$£$£$ - and some events don't get in.
1. So much Meeke fanboy stuff...... "Kris Meeke is a winner, proven by winning 3 times in last 16 months"++. Sure but you don't win championship with that reliability level, this year is very much repeat of his 2014, really unlikely he will suddenly get reliable (though look at Latvala). Also the comments about development and not a single word about Finland. Well I'll leave here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
2. "Loeb will be as fast as when he left." I can't see that. Sure he would be top 3 on Monte, Corsica, Germany, Spain (can use Sordo as reference)... but on gravel I don't think so. Furthermore I can't really see him doing all rounds with 18 hour days and 50+ deg in the car during stages. Bringing him for a few rounds per year for PR, feedback and some teampoints, sure good idea. Bringing him for full year not good PR for either Citroen or Loeb in the long run... that said the signals clearly are out that it's possible.
At least he admitted he's a huge Citroen, Meeke and Loeb fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I also agree about Loeb. I could see him do testing and maybe one off rallies, but not a whole season.
Isn't Colin a paid employee / contractor of WRC Promoter through his work with Rally Radio?Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
None of this should be a surprise that he's a bit of a mouthpiece for their PR spin...
http://www.ksml.fi/urheilu/mm-ralli/...495295b69f847e
Grönholm interview in Finnish. He says he does not believe Loeb would return to competition, because it's so tight nowadays. He also talks about testing the VW 2017 car last year and then he is asked how does it compare to the Yaris which he drove in the Rally Finland as a promotional run. He grins "I shouldn't compare them" and says "Toyota has a very good car. There was a lot of doubt in the beginning of the year but they've done a great job". I'm reading between the lines that he thinks the Polo would have been a lot better...
Grönholm did VIP runs on city stage (about 10 kms totals) and short shakedown on tarmac (comparerable to parking lot), he really doesn't have the experience to compare those two cars at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Surely he can have some impressions specially in terms of balance, low speed handling etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
VW spend basically whole 2016 testing the 2017 Polo with no development and nearly no testing at all for the old car. Since they at that point still had the biggest budget + Gronholm, Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen doing the testing I don't think anyone can doubt the car would be at worst comparable with Ford/Hyundai in Monte.
Could have ended totally dominating like they did in 2014 though, so in a way it might be good they left. Too bad we couldn't get some privately run Polos for some rallies at least.
But if the teams are getting paid for the events, isn't this the ultimate answer for expanding the calendar?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Maybe something like:
• Europe
Monte-Carlo - Tarmac/Snow
Sweden - Snow
Portugal - Mix
Finland - Gravel
Tour de Corse - Tarmac
Catalunya - Tarmac
Sanremo - Mix
Wales - Gravel
• America
Canada - Snow
Paraguay - Transchaco
Argentina - Gravel
Chile - Gravel
• Asia
Japan - Tarmac
New Zealand - Gravel
Jordan - Gravel
Australia - Gravel
You would replace Mexico with Paraguay or Chile? And wasn't Japan a gravel event when it was held the last time? And no Finland, there's really no other gravel rally that is as fast as Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I'd rather have something like 9 European + 3 N/S American + 3 Australoasian events + 1 African event (if possible)
What? dont you even dare to let Finland out! Finland will never go away! a true WRC rally
Enough internet for today...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Eheh 7 rounds ;) i missed the eight ofcourse
So tell me your vision of Calendar with 8 rounds in Europe, 4 in America and 4 in AsiaQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
My bad, Finland there now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yes, Transchaco rally could be something great to WRC. Chile wants WRC round.
what average speed has Transchaco?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I would trade that for an Italian asphalt round any day, ideally mixed San Remo. If it doesn't need to be asphalt, Sardegna is just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I want both. TdC and Sanremo. But Tour de Corse should be a real Tour with more stages and mileage