Toyota announces WRC plans

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16th November 2016, 22:37
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Essaj

But why would they pick Suninen over Lappi?

Why not? What has Lappi, Sunninen doesn't have?
16th November 2016, 23:22
Essaj

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Why not? What has Lappi, Sunninen doesn't have?

Well he is faster, FRC and ERC champion, WRC 2 champion after Australia, Experience and has been more reliable.
17th November 2016, 05:28
RS

It would be a shame if Lappi doesn't get a drive somewhere. He has matured a lot in the second half of this year and he is clearly faster than Suninen on tarmac.
17th November 2016, 09:35
Sulland

Gazoo Dreamteam:
1st driver: Latvala
2nd driver: Mikkelsen
Third driver: Hänninen
Testdriver + WRC2: Lappi
Testdriver: Kalle Rovanperä
17th November 2016, 09:52
Andre Oliveira

Tommi have one Fiesta R5 completely new ;)
17th November 2016, 10:37
Fast Eddie WRC

Suninen test - the Yaris sounds great at least...

https://youtu.be/gibN30wRRjg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxdPf_WW8AAy8uU.jpg:large
17th November 2016, 15:06
janvanvurpa

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Originally Posted by Essaj

Well he is faster, FRC and ERC champion, WRC 2 champion after Australia, Experience and has been more reliable.

Ok, but beside that?:crazy:
17th November 2016, 15:51
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by dodge33cymru

Suninen testing with them today, normally I'd assume that's a done deal...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxebmOVXcAAUBKH.jpg:large
17th November 2016, 15:59
Mirek

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Ok, but beside that?:crazy:

Has been involved in development of successful rallycar :)
17th November 2016, 18:33
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Ok, but beside that?:crazy:

Hello John! Long time no see. What have you been up to?
18th November 2016, 14:29
BigWorm

Only reason I could see for Toyota to sign Sunninen instead of Lappi is that Lappi has an offer elsewhere. Or economic reasons?

Or maybe they are just signing both.
3rd December 2016, 17:05
tommeke_B

François Duval tested Yaris. According to him there's a lot of work on both engine and suspension.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...07324850_o.jpg
3rd December 2016, 17:32
Rally Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

François Duval tested Yaris. According to him there's a lot of work on both engine and suspension.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...07324850_o.jpg

I bet that Yaris understeers like a pig!
3rd December 2016, 18:02
pantealex

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

François Duval tested Yaris. According to him there's a lot of work on both engine and suspension.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...07324850_o.jpg

Looks much better with stickers ;)
8th December 2016, 18:44
Simmi

Can't help but be intrigued by the Toyota contracts situation.

It's got to the point where Latvala is in the car today without any official communication. Are VAG playing hardball (same issue with Lappi)? Still some legal things to be worked out? I'm sure there's a reason that Toyota and all involved parties have had to be super defensive/secretive. Might not be their fault at all but it's just another thing that makes the team look haphazard from the outside.
8th December 2016, 19:03
Allez Andruet

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Can't help but be intrigued by the Toyota contracts situation.

It's got to the point where Latvala is in the car today without any official communication. Are VAG playing hardball (same issue with Lappi)? Still some legal things to be worked out? I'm sure there's a reason that Toyota and all involved parties have had to be super defensive/secretive. Might not be their fault at all but it's just another thing that makes the team look haphazard from the outside.

I think it might be just that "Japanese" way of doing things, i.e. the team launch is on Dec 13 and nothing (except for Hänninen) will be made official before that. Mäkinen said in one interview (which was regarding the situation with Lappi), that they have a plan when to make the announcement(s) and they'll stick to that.

And in an interview released today by Finnish media giant MTV, Tommi said the plan (or actually "the target") is to announce the driver line-up on Dec 13, together with the car. The story can be read here (in Finnish):
http://www.mtv.fi/sport/ralli/uutine...an-ohi/6203830

But yes, it does look quite silly in a way when you have JML already testing the car.
8th December 2016, 22:44
Rallyper

And Ogier tested, and so did many others ...
9th December 2016, 09:28
pantealex

I personally know 10 drivers who have driven Yaris WRC and only 50% of those have deal with Tommi.

And no, I will not give all names ;)
9th December 2016, 09:50
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by pantealex

I personally know 10 drivers who have driven Yaris WRC and only 50% of those have deal with Tommi.

And no, I will not give all names ;)

no need to give any names, we can name 10 finnish useless neverbeens and we probably can be 80-90% accurate
9th December 2016, 10:39
spyros

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

no need to give any names, we can name 10 finnish useless neverbeens and we probably can be 80-90% accurate

I dont thing JML is useless,he's one of the fastest and talented drivers out there,i have hope about him........
9th December 2016, 10:42
itix

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Originally Posted by spyros

I dont thing JML is useless,he's one of the fastest and talented drivers out there,i have hope about him........

Completely pointless arguing with him. It's just going to bring more of his retarded nonsense.
9th December 2016, 10:49
bassist

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Originally Posted by itix

Completely pointless arguing with him. It's just going to bring more of his retarded nonsense.

Well said, not worth the effort engaging with him. Anything he puts on here is totally irrelevant. It`s quite sad really.
9th December 2016, 10:52
GravelBen

Fortunately the forum has a useful function called the ignore list. It means you don't have to see N.O.T's inane drivel all the time.
9th December 2016, 10:54
itix

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

Fortunately the forum has a useful function called the ignore list. It means you don't have to see N.O.T's inane drivel all the time.

Unfortunately people keep responding to him and if I don't see what kind of retarded crap he wrote, I can't make sense of it.

Also it gives me joy that there are people out there far more retarded than me. I don't need to feel so bad when I say stupid things. I just need to remember the good ol' forum retard.
9th December 2016, 11:44
Duvel

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

Fortunately the forum has a useful function called the ignore list. It means you don't have to see N.O.T's inane drivel all the time.

I had to search a bit, but i just found it! Thanks for the tip, no more stupid, useless post from that guy for me!
9th December 2016, 12:29
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by itix

Completely pointless arguing with him. It's just going to bring more of his retarded nonsense.

you should focus on important things like how useless the aero is on a rally car, something is really wrong with the teams this year and they seem to focus too much on it.
9th December 2016, 12:38
Lundefaret

Your ignorance is mind boggling :)
9th December 2016, 14:23
dimviii

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Originally Posted by pantealex

I personally know 10 drivers who have driven Yaris WRC and only 50% of those have deal with Tommi.

And no, I will not give all names ;)

for what reason all these drivers drove yaris?
9th December 2016, 14:26
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by dimviii

for what reason all these drivers drove yaris?

Some evaluating, some as testdrivers.
9th December 2016, 14:34
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

Some evaluating, some as testdrivers.

evaluate?
9th December 2016, 14:51
itix

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

you should focus on important things like how useless the aero is on a rally car, something is really wrong with the teams this year and they seem to focus too much on it.

I said no such thing... I said something similar, sure, but not the way you put it. And I don't mind being wrong.

Shouldn't you focus instead on important facts like how vw Motorsport isn't leaving the WRC?
9th December 2016, 17:07
dimviii

https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC
9th December 2016, 17:33
pantealex

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

for what reason all these drivers drove yaris?

I don´t know.

But clearly many reasons:
ie.
Why Tommi drives?
Why Ogier ?
Why Kalle Rovanperä ?
9th December 2016, 17:57
Simmi

Makinen
Hanninen
Hirvonen
Nikara
Rovanpera
Suninen
Lappi
Ogier
Latvala

Big list. Would put decent money Markko Martin has been in it too. Probably quite a few more like pantealex says.
9th December 2016, 18:00
AL14

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Makinen
Hanninen
Hirvonen
Nikara
Rovanpera
Suninen
Lappi
Ogier
Latvala

Odd one out :D
9th December 2016, 18:15
itix

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Originally Posted by AL14

Odd one out :D

You do have a point there!
They could at least make an effort to seat other than Finnish drivers in it. There are couple on the market. Luky, Tidemand, Kubica would probably be interested... I'm sure I have forgotten a whole bunch now.
9th December 2016, 19:40
GravelBen

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Would put decent money Markko Martin has been in it too.

There were photos of him tarmac testing a while back were't there, or was it only speculation that it was him and not confirmed?
9th December 2016, 22:07
maciotacio

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Originally Posted by itix

You do have a point there!
They could at least make an effort to seat other than Finnish drivers in it. There are couple on the market. Luky, Tidemand, Kubica would probably be interested... I'm sure I have forgotten a whole bunch now.

Totally agree. Having a driver like Kubica available on the market... They could offer him a seat even for a couple of rounds and tarmac development. You can guys laught about his crashes etc but he's extraordinary when it comes to feeling the tarmac and ability to work with engineers and giving them feedback. There is no secret he made some changes in Citroen in 2013, which shocked their engineers and they are using them till now. Shame that we might not see RK in WRC anymore. Supposedly was some chance as a third Toyota driver but after VW breakout his odds are close to zero.

@Simmi, I was about to type the same list of drivers. 8 Finns and 1 French guy. Coincidence ? I don't think so :D
9th December 2016, 23:08
EstWRC

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

There were photos of him tarmac testing a while back were't there, or was it only speculation that it was him and not confirmed?

whole estonia would buy you a beer if you show us the photos????
9th December 2016, 23:55
GravelBen

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

whole estonia would buy you a beer if you show us the photos????

Maybe it was just speculation I read on this forum then!

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