So when exactly were the elections where the whole population of the area were given change to vote about the birth of Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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So when exactly were the elections where the whole population of the area were given change to vote about the birth of Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
BLame the UN, that world body for it. Second of all, the birth of Israel was also to be the birth of an Arab state in the same area. I wasn't around in 1947 to know what the atmosphere was like back then, so I have no idea how Arab's viewed the idea of anything in the area being "Jewish". Let me just say this. That sort of mindset justifies any kind of bloodshed and stupidity. Would it be wise to carry these old hatreds forever? Heck, why not you Finn's mobilize and reinvade that part of Russia that was wrongly taken from you? How about the Croat's and the Bosnian Serbs taking out Muslims there for land they felt had no business belonging to someone else?
I cant turn the clock back to 1947, but I can tell you that Israel is the reality there, and it is the only nation in the area that has the power to wipe the others out and it hasn't done so. I cant say I would give the same power to Iran and think there was no threat. They have all but said they want the Jews out of the Middle East. I would rather side with reasonable people, but i guess you guys would rather give the Arab's everything they want, so they just stay in the Middle East and quit emigrating to Europe? Is that the theory? Or is it just a case of you feel Arab's have MORE Rights to be allowed to enslave, oppress or outright threaten other nations? I don't get how you can justify the stands some of you make.
The Arab state that never got born was to be the Palestinian homeland. It was made up of the West Bank and Gaza, and parts of Jordan and Egypt. I didn't think it was a very good plan, and the whole World has some responsibility for the failure of not putting a better option on the table. That said, to now turn around after all those wars, all the threats, and all the hostility over 60 years for the Arab's vs the state of Israel is just silly. It has become VERY apparent that the Palestinians would just deny Israel's right to exist in any form, while the Israelis have stated repeately that a Palestinian state with democratic principles and some form of responsible government is not an problem for them. That responsbile bit is the problem Arab's have, until Iraq had their election, no real free elections exist in the Arab world. Yet you claim Israel is the problem???
aah, only fields full of stones, the area now days is in so bad shape no idea to have it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Tomi, if only the Arab's would look at Israel that way. It was just stones and desert, with large Salty lake, and yet they would deny the jewish state even THAT.
Hey Mark, I really must know if your last name is Steyn? The rightwing's version of Michael Moore.
Or the other way aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I find it pretty amazing that anyone cares about 6 million Jews living in a country the size of Rhode Island If everybody got over it things could be mellow. Short of that the Jews should blow the **** out of the entire Mideast.
A few days ago they showed rodeo here on tv, i found it a bit strange that the presenter started to keep a speach to the audience about the Iraq war, who to support and so on, the same was some time ago in some nascar event, is this how common in us?
How is it in GB, does sport or other pubic events start with speeches about the war in Iraq there too, or is it there more up to the private person him/her self to make their own opinion, on what or how to think?
Sure they can, and this is what happens when superpowers first let enough foreigners into Israel so that they could allow MORE foreigners to come in. I bet most Americans today wouldn't be happy if Mexicans became the majority in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa