What Happens Next?

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Why do they need any CC events? Why would the owners let another series have their best events? The other series is just going to have to make it on their own.Waiting for another series's demise is a fatal business plan.

This is why CC survives.

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Sanguin, for once we agree! Waiting for another series demise is a fatal business plan. Champ Car 2007 has provided ample proof of this. Paulie G-String, The Kevester, Gerry and later Dan P. have now learned this truth the hard way after stepping into the quicksand called Champ Car upon the strident urging of those who promised a doomsday scenario that has never quite materialized for TG and the IRL. Why do I claim this? Well, I was told this face-to-face by several of the opportunistic OWRS "Billionaires" themselves a few years ago. If you work for them or are actually one of them you know this already.

So, yes, Champ Car "survives", but for how long is the question?

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Originally Posted by fan-veteran

- the cost of NASCAR program again should not be very big.

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Am I missing something here? If Honda goes to NASCAR, they will have to come up with a 6 litre V8, from scratch. You don't think design, tooling, & developement from nothing will not require much money? Interesting...

Jeff

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Originally Posted by sanguin

I can, with the money he's spending on subsidies and Honda could be gone to nascar.

CC isn't dependent on those things.

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Okay, how bad can the subsuidies be for the IRL? Five million? Ten Million? Fifteen Million? Twenty Million? More? I invite you to pick a number and justify it. Oh, while you are at it, also please do explain how those seventeen Champ Cars magically appear on the grid without significant purses or sponsorship. Perhaps there is another word in Billionairespeak for "subsuidies"?

Then, please also explain the terminal financial calamity that you (and the OWRS Brain Trust) think/hope will happen in the IRL if Honda leaves for NASCAR in 2010 or 2011. Oh, I forgot, "CC isn't dependent on those things". So, if losing Honda is such a disaster for the IRL, how then, is having no real manufacturer support of the Champ Car World Series viable?

No more blind faith propaganda: Please just give us some credible numbers. Oh, I forgot, Champ Car is just too dammed busy making a profit (while teaching all those wretched little handout seeking teams to fend for themselves) to answer any hard questions.

Something does not add up in Sanguin's assertions. From my persective, the IRL seems to have stable and significant reoccuring income streams while Champ Car has quite the opposite. We all my not like it but it is what it is.

I will add, that, based upon what I know, I think the chances of Honda going to NASCAR anytime soon are about as slim as Michael Schmacher driving a Champ Car in 2008.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Why do they need any CC events? Why would the owners let another series have their best events? The other series is just going to have to make it on their own.Waiting for another series's demise is a fatal business plan.

This is why CC survives.

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The IRL isn't planning their business on CCWS's demise to get ANY of them just to survive, but bet your bippie if CCWS did die, Tony George will be on the phone with parties in Toronto and Long Beach before the sun comes up to get a contract for those races. I would also be shocked if They didn't contact Surfers to partner it with Motegi. It was after all the Honda Indy for quite a while was it not?

If the series ceased to operate, I'm sure their contracts with the cities would require them to put on a race or forfeit the rights to do so. I'd bet money Honda would step to the plate in Toronto and Surfers immediately and would probably love to replace Toyota in Long Beach as well. Road America might take longer due to the small market, however that place is held in just as high esteem by the current IRL teams that raced there for 20 years as it is by the current CCWS teams. Europe??? Doubtful. 4 races makes 20. Just were they should be.

Honestly, how on earth can you expect these teams to operate from the midwest, in a series looking at possibly half of their races overseas on the budgets they have? A1GP is a bloodbath with fools writing huge checks, and the teams don't even own the equipment, the series does. Write the check for your franchise, show up with your drivers to race.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

I can, with the money he's spending on subsidies and Honda could be gone to nascar.

CC isn't dependent on those things.

IMO

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Just one more completely ridiculous and desparate post after another...how long do we have to endure such obtuse dribble?

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Originally Posted by ChaimWitz

I will add, that, based upon what I know, I think the chances of Honda going to NASCAR anytime soon are about as slim as Michael Schmacher driving a Champ Car in 2008.

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No crap? Schummi in a Champcar at the Nurgbring next year!!!! Yee Haaah. When do I book my tickets? ;) Well, I hear Ralphie might need a job next year. :rolleyes:

I agree. Honda is a much different animal than Toyota. Honda does just fine selling cars. Toyota is going NASCAR for one reason. To sell Rednecks Toyota Tundras and to convince middle America they are as American as "Apple pie and Chevrolet". They need no help what so ever selling Camrys and Corollas. Actually, at this point, they already may just be more American, but that's getting off topic.

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Originally Posted by FlatChatRacer

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My point was less deep and did not deserve the lengthy and well-thought out response. In short, regardless of what schedule they announce, based on their track record, it tells us nothing about where they will actually hold races.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

This is why CC survives.

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Wow... and here I thought it was because it, not only is a character from a George Romero film, but also because a wealthy man had some sort of harebrained scheme that throwing money down a hole and running a business in the manner of Alfred E. Nueman was a good idea.

It all makes sense to me... CCWS doesn't survive because someone is pumping cash into the series. It survives because it won't emulate a series that actually gets paid to be on TV.

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Originally Posted by heelntoe

Just one more completely ridiculous and desparate post after another...how long do we have to endure such obtuse dribble?

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Forever. He's protected.

What happens?

Sooner or later KK and GF make a decision they have been putting off for ages, and one that's hard.

Option 1 - Go big on the series, and spend the cash to put it back where it should be. This hurts the bottom line a lot, but makes us happy, would likely help the sponsor situation.

Option 2 - Call it a day and close. This makes all of us mad, hurts their egos, and would likely result in death threats towards KK and GF from the CW lunatics and causes a pile of lawsuits.

More likely option? Option 2, sadly.

These guys don't get it. They really don't. They need to change the course, but they won't - I think partly because they got yes men like sanguin here telling them that they can ignore the ice cold reality of CC racing.