British & Irish Rally calendars 2023

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

UK national events run to UK rules and these allow the bigger restrictors that WRC cars have, so there's nothing to stop you from putting the bigger restrictor on a Rally2 or R5 car. When R5 cars were first introduced nobody in the UK ran them as old WRC cars were cheaper and quicker. Those who wanted to run the newer R5 cars, when they became available second hand, needed to fit the bigger restrictors to be competitive. If you were to restrict entries on UK events to cars complying with their FIA homologation you'd decimate the entries because very few cars in the UK run to their homologated specification.

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Allowing bigger restrictors to R5 cars was one of the biggest fails. Everywhere...

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

UK national events run to UK rules and these allow the bigger restrictors that WRC cars have, so there's nothing to stop you from putting the bigger restrictor on a Rally2 or R5 car. When R5 cars were first introduced nobody in the UK ran them as old WRC cars were cheaper and quicker. Those who wanted to run the newer R5 cars, when they became available second hand, needed to fit the bigger restrictors to be competitive. If you were to restrict entries on UK events to cars complying with their FIA homologation you'd decimate the entries because very few cars in the UK run to their homologated specification.

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“to restrict entries on UK events to cars complying with their FIA homologation” and ‘to ban the use of larger turbo restrictors on R5/Rally2 cars’ are two ends of the spectrum though

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Originally Posted by PLuto

Allowing bigger restrictors to R5 cars was one of the biggest fails. Everywhere...

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UK Rallying in a nutshell........We just don't help ourselves at all.....

Just think back to when R5 cars were introduced. It took years before anybody in the UK ran one - even though they were encouraged by the BRC organisers. What else would you as a governing body have done to encourage them?

There were huge outcries when cars like Andy Burton's and Kim Mather's were outlawed. As a governing body, how would you write the regulations to stop the use of oversized restrictors on R5/Rally2 cars without banning lots of other "home brewed" cars?

You might not like it as spectators but the sport is about what the competitors want and if they want to run Mk2 Escorts with Millington engines or R5 cars with WRC sized restrictors then why should they be stopped?

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

Just think back to when R5 cars were introduced. It took years before anybody in the UK ran one - even though they were encouraged by the BRC organisers. What else would you as a governing body have done to encourage them?

There were huge outcries when cars like Andy Burton's and Kim Mather's were outlawed. As a governing body, how would you write the regulations to stop the use of oversized restrictors on R5/Rally2 cars without banning lots of other "home brewed" cars?

You might not like it as spectators but the sport is about what the competitors want and if they want to run Mk2 Escorts with Millington engines or R5 cars with WRC sized restrictors then why should they be stopped?

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And because everybody has same thoughts like you, UK rallysport is where it is...

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Originally Posted by PLuto

And because everybody has same thoughts like you, UK rallysport is where it is...

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I didn't say that was my opinion. I just asked the questions.
UK Rallysport is where it is because that's what the competitors want. They're the ones who are paying for it so they make the decision.

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

UK Rallysport is where it is because that's what the competitors want. They're the ones who are paying for it so they make the decision.

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I think this is the crux of the matter........

The ones with the money and cars, don't want to do the BRC.......

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

UK national events run to UK rules and these allow the bigger restrictors that WRC cars have, so there's nothing to stop you from putting the bigger restrictor on a Rally2 or R5 car. When R5 cars were first introduced nobody in the UK ran them as old WRC cars were cheaper and quicker. Those who wanted to run the newer R5 cars, when they became available second hand, needed to fit the bigger restrictors to be competitive. If you were to restrict entries on UK events to cars complying with their FIA homologation you'd decimate the entries because very few cars in the UK run to their homologated specification.

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I understand this 10 years ago when R5's first came out. But what about now when the majority are using them ? Surely the power of a homologated R5/ Rally2 car should be the standard for UK events and other older cars have their power restricted instead?

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I understand this 10 years ago when R5's first came out. But what about now when the majority are using them ? Surely the power of a homologated R5/ Rally2 car should be the standard for UK events and other older cars have their power restricted instead?

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Telling people with perfectly good cars that they enjoy driving that they have to spend a load of money to make them slower sounds like a good way of pushing people out of rallying to me.

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

Telling people with perfectly good cars that they enjoy driving that they have to spend a load of money to make them slower sounds like a good way of pushing people out of rallying to me.

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To make the cars slower doesnt cost load of money. It is exactly opposite - as these cars were build for current R5 rules, any other change (like bigger restrictor) makes them more powerful, but also less reliable as parts were designed for exact power. So with bigger restrictor you are paying more money to keep the car running on the equal quality...