another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by ioan

he was already 20, which is over 18.

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Thank you for the math lesson. The point was, the registered owner is required to keep individual guns locked, with a stricter standard of storing locked guns in locked storage for homes with children under 18. The son was not the registered owner and SHOULD NOT have had access to the locked weapons. The keys to my weapons are in my pocket with me at all times and kept in my finger print controlled gunsafe at night where only I can access them. I am a responsible gun owner. She clearly was not unfortunately for the 28, she clearly was not considering she had a 20 year old son with known neurological and emotional problems.

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Originally Posted by ioan

:rolleyes:

Maybe your constitution should say you are all allowed to have free access to medical care. Just goes to show that the founding fathers of your nation were no visionaries, not a bit.

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And tax me 60+% of my personal earnings to pay for those too damed lazy to work for it... Naaah, you can keep that system. Government regulation and the socialized program we already have is 90% of the problem. an I know this first hand. I work in it and strive every day to eliminate the problems we do have where I am able.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I pity you for holding a view so depressing — that freedom can only be had by way of possession of guns.

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Our country's freedom from a tyrannical government was earned through private possession of firearms ... a fact that was not lost by the writers of the constitution and the bill of rights of our country. One that was so important to our founders that is spelled out and guaranteed not to be infringed in the document that rules our country. That right is second only to the right to free expression.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Surely there is a simple compromise? Obviously banning all firearms won't work so why not simply ban those that are able to cause the most damage in the hands of a lunatic? Ban automatic and semi-automatic hand guns and rifles as well as high capacity magazines. People can still own bolt-action rifles and revolvers for hunting, target shooting and self defense.

It's not perfect but the Second Amendment is upheld (people can still own a gun) and the impact of events like Newtown are lessened (5 shots between reloads has to be less devastating than 30).

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Not a one of these shootings was carried out with an automatic weapon. In essence they already are banned or tightly regulated. I agree it is unreasonable to have unrestricted access to what I call high capacity magazines, but that definition varies. The aurora shooter had a drum magazine that failed after 30 rounds, which is very common. 10 rounds or 30 rounds, it really is a difference in a second or two. Banning semi-automatic handguns, shotguns, rifles ..Good luck with that. Even the 1994 assault weapons ban wasn't really a ban, it was a restriction that in essence created guns like the civilian bushmaster.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Not to mention vehicle operation requires a regularly updated government-issued operator’s license, registration and insurance, whereas firearm ownership, um, er...

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You might want to check local US laws. Remember, These things are NOT regulated at the Federal level in this country. Many states do have required permits that do require renewal. I'm not aware of any carry permits that do not require renewal. You don't need a permit to OWN a car. You do need a permit to operate it on the road. That's not totally different than in the US. you are not allowed to carry in many juristictions without a permit. in most states, you can not hunt anywhere outside of your own property without a hunting permit, whether it be firearms, archery or bare handed. Hunters are prohibited from hunting with anything other than black powder, shotguns or archery in my county.

There is a gross misconception that firearms purchase and ownership is totally unregulated in this country. That is far from reality, but that is not the place of the federal government. That's precisely the type of regulation our constitution is supposed to prevent. Firearms regulations are a state issue and are regulated as local attitudes deem fit, provided they do not contravene the second amendment. States CAN and DO regulate, and occasionally those regulations are deemed unconstitutional when deemed overly restrictive.

A buddy of mine , in a kind of uncomfortable way , told me yesterday that the bushmaster was the rifle he was thinking of getting his wife for Christmas .
They are originally from North Carolina , and live here with thier daughter to be safe .

They live about five miles from me .

They hunt . I have some of the venison in my freezer .

For them , it isn't a feeling of overt oppression by a horribly restrictive government , but rather , a feeling of safety , due to still being armed , but in a society that doesn't condone weapons designed for killing humans .
They simply feel much less likely to greet a handgun on the street or at thier door .

We're redneck enough in my country to have had the government scrap a really expensive gun registry program due to public outcry . And , but for Quebec , all provinces have destroyed the records they did manage to compile .



Hell , I played "army" when I was a kid , and i was a ruthless foe , taking no prisoners .

And , there were a few "wackos" back then as well .

But , rarely were they so efficient . They didn't have the right tools .

I'd never buy my wife a gun - it'd be the death of me!

It is a very confusing and, dare I say primative message that this thread has given me of the USA. It seems a little less extreme across the border in Canada, but the same mindset is there too.

Would there be the same public outcry now to a registry in light of recent events?

Merry Christmas from the family!

Scottsdale Gun Club in Arizona invites children to pose with Santa... and a fire arm | Mail Online

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A gun club in Scottsdale, Arizona is inviting children to pose for pictures with Santa Claus – and a high-powered firearm.
Each family member carries their choice of weapon, from pistols to $80,000 machine guns. ..."

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Merry Christmas from the family!

Scottsdale Gun Club in Arizona invites children to pose with Santa... and a fire arm | Mail Online

"...
A gun club in Scottsdale, Arizona is inviting children to pose for pictures with Santa Claus – and a high-powered firearm.
Each family member carries their choice of weapon, from pistols to $80,000 machine guns. ..."

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:jawdrop:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

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It is at a gun club I'd like to point out.. Not at a shopping mall.