Team orders at Ferrari

In any event, this is clearly a fan rule as skc says.........not a rule because the team bosses want it.

If the team bosses were to be hooked to lie detectors, notwithstanding Horner's BS public relations attempt at saying his drivers are free to race and all the other managers mouthing off, the results would be NOT ONE team boss would have a rule that even slightly hinders them from telling the drivers exactly what to do and when.

all team bosses want to be :vader:

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Originally Posted by wedge

What about 2006 US GP?

Massa was leading the first stint and let Schumi through after the first round of stops. Massa was quite happy to do it because the change of positions was unbrazen. There were little complaints IIRC

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Was it as blatant as last Sunday?
Did Massa complain? Did Smedley complain? Did Todt run away like Domenicali?
Was it a slap in the face of all the fans?
Did they destroy their driver 1 year after he almost died in one of their cars?

You don't seem to grasp the deepness of what happened last Sunday.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I think it was because it was not so blatant and in your face, but here we have a driver who does not have the negative fan base of Freddie, CLEARLY being told to move over on the one year anniversary of his spring incident.

It really goes back to, if the violation is not so clear and your face, it is okay.

Given Luca's outburst, it is now even more blatant and in your face.

Luca is saying Luca-Ferrari will only obey a rule that Luca-ferrari finds acceptable and in the best interests of the team as they deem those interests to be.

Otherwise, screw you. So if Ferrari finds a way to open up an engine and fix /replace parts, in such a manner as to replace/repair the seals so that no one can at the FIA can detect the repairs or breaking of the seals, then if Luca deems it in the best interests of the team, then they will do it.

After all, it has always been the tradition of the Ferrari team for many many years, that when an engine needs fixing, they fix it..... :rolleyes:

Not even Ron Dennis would have been this much in the face as Luca has been.

So the FIA needs to slap down Luca hard for violating a rule without any remorse or apology, with the same kind of righteous vengence dumped upon Mac (who was saying sorry at the time of punishment), and put Freddie back behind Massa--which the stewards lacked the gonads to do.

Otherwise, Luca, like any dictator bully, will go wild, running over any anything he wishes.

The only question is whether little Todt will be able able to go face to face with Luca.....somehow, I think this is part of why Luca is so in the face right now, becuase they actually had some fear of maX and his whip, fear that they have none of from their former employee

So what will the FIA do about this????

Strike down the rule to appease Luca????
but the rule was there so fans --and even arguably racers themselves---would not feel cheated by seeing a manipulated result, and would know that the one who won, deserved it by being in front based on merit and not some manipulation.....

Alternatives?? How about a ban on all radio communcications? after all, how did Clark, Moss, Stewart, Brabham et al, win so many many races without someone always whispering in their ear, push push, harder, try to concentrate, remember we are only two seconds ahead, come on, you can do it.....

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Agreed, he does not fear Jean.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Was it as blatant as last Sunday?
Did Massa complain? Did Smedley complain? Did Todt run away like Domenicali?
Was it a slap in the face of all the fans?
Did they destroy their driver 1 year after he almost died in one of their cars?

You don't seem to grasp the deepness of what happened last Sunday.

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Agrees on everything except the first sentence. At the last lap Felipe slowed down to almost zero speed and let MS thrue, anyway, it was only four cars on the track, a farse.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Was it as blatant as last Sunday?
Did Massa complain? Did Smedley complain? Did Todt run away like Domenicali?
Was it a slap in the face of all the fans?
Did they destroy their driver 1 year after he almost died in one of their cars?

You don't seem to grasp the deepness of what happened last Sunday.

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:laugh: This is your explanation? You´ve said before they should be punished for not hiding it well enough and now this? It wasn´t a breach of the rules because Massa didn´t complain and Todt didn´t run? I doubt Todt can run at all.

Perhaps I should explain you people that here in Romania we have a very sick saying. It´s something like this: the uncaught thief is just an honest business man. I think it´s quite clear Ioan is very fond of this saying.

It wasn´t a slap in the MS´ fanboy´s faces. That´s actually the only difference and that´s what makes your stance hypocritical

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

Agrees on everything except the first sentence. At the last lap Felipe slowed down to almost zero speed and let MS thrue, anyway, it was only four cars on the track, a farse.

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???

The change took place during pit stops AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by eu

:laugh: This is your explanation? You´ve said before they should be punished for not hiding it well enough and now this? It wasn´t a breach of the rules because Massa didn´t complain and Todt didn´t run? I doubt Todt can run at all.

Perhaps I should explain you people that here in Romania we have a very sick saying. It´s something like this: the uncaught thief is just an honest business man. I think it´s quite clear Ioan is very fond of this saying.

It wasn´t a slap in the MS´ fanboy´s faces. That´s actually the only difference and that´s what makes your stance hypocritical

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There is one reason why I left your Romania 12 years ago, because that saying is true and applies to half of the population.
You can continue enjoying the saying and the people.

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Originally Posted by ioan

???

The change took place during pit stops AFAIK.

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Could be wrong, but I remeber it differenly.

FA is proud of his win this weekend, no regrets.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85605

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

FA is proud of his win this weekend, no regrets.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85605

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What were you expecting from such a monument of self-righteousness?!