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Originally Posted by thunderbolt
well ya..but what about my above post than ? and all them drivers not using the track either at the first corner..and also gaining advantage from it..like Kimi fe ? Can anyone tell me why none there got a penalty ?
30) GENERAL SAFETYQuote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke
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30.1 Official instructions will be given to drivers by means of the signals laid out in the Code. Competitors must
not use flags similar to these.
30.2 Drivers are strictly forbidden to drive their car in the opposite direction to the race unless this is absolutely
necessary in order to move the car from a dangerous position.
30.3 a) During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the
provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits.
b) Other than by driving on the track, Competitors are not permitted to attempt to alter the grip of any
part of the track surface.
30.4 If a car stops on the track it shall be the duty of the marshals to remove it as quickly as possible so that its
presence does not constitute a danger or hinder other competitors. If any mechanical assistance results in
the car rejoining the stewards may drop the driver such number of grid positions as they consider
appropriate if the incident occurs during a practice session or exclude him from the race (other than under
Article 30.9(d).
30.5 A driver who abandons a car must leave it in neutral or with the clutch disengaged and with the steering
wheel in place.
30.6 The organiser must make at least two fire extinguishers of 5kg capacity available to each competitor and
ensure that they work properly.
30.7 Save as specifically authorised by the Code or these Sporting Regulations, no one except the driver may
touch a stopped car unless it is in the paddock, the team’s designated garage area, the pit lane or on the
starting grid.
30.8 At no time may a car be reversed in the pit lane under its own power.
30.9 During the period commencing 15 minutes prior to and ending 5 minutes after every practice session and
the period between the commencement of the formation lap which immediately precedes the race and the
time when the last car enters the parc fermé, no one is allowed on the track, the pit entry or the pit exit with
the exception of :
a) marshals or other authorised personnel in the execution of their duty ;
b) drivers when driving or on foot, having first received permission to do so from a marshal ;
c) team personnel when either pushing a car or clearing equipment from the grid after all cars able to do
so have left the grid on the formation lap ;
d) team personnel when assisting marshals to remove a car from the grid after the start of the race.
30.10 During a race, the engine may only be started with the starter except in the pit lane or the team’s
designated garage area where the use of an external starting device is allowed.
30.11 Drivers taking part in practice and the race must always wear the clothes, helmets and head and neck
supports specified in the Code.
30.12 A speed limit of 60km/h will be imposed in the pit lane during all free practice sessions, this will be raised to
80km/h for the remainder of the Event. However, this limit may be amended by the Permanent Bureau of
the Formula One Commission following a recommendation from the FIA F1 safety delegate.
where does that answer my question ? it just shows what they did was wrong...like showing in the video....and as the FIA likes to follow the rules by the letter these days..Them drivers should have gotten a drive true to !Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I wouldn't really say that Kimi defended badly, just got outsmarted. He let Lewis take the inside line to get him back on the exit but Lewis saw this coming and acted accordingly.
But I must be honest, whereas I can see the Stewards reason behind their decision.
I've not once seen a penalty given for this kind of move. Alonso done exactly the same in Japan against (Klien or Heidfeld forgot not) and it was fine.
McLaren cannot be expected to know how far to drop back when in the past, what Hamilton did was fine, only now have they decided to say its not enough to simply let the car past, which was seen as fine before.
Once against, McLaren lose out to the inconsistancies of the Stewards and FIA and Ferrari benefit.
Tellingly for me, last 2 races, Massa and Hamilton have been found guilty of breaking the rules. Both were guilty (in the eyes of Stewards). Both did not gain a sporting advantage. One was let off and team given €10,000 fine, other a 25 second time penalty.
And the standard penalty from previous cases of unsafe release has been a 25s time penalty (Ralf Schumacher Imola 2005).
We can argue whether they deserved to be punished, but lets leave that out, and in the eyes of the Stewards both were guilty. And thats the defence in penalties.....
http://i38.tinypic.com/4zz22t.jpgyou watch it again you will see thet it was to avide an accidentQuote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke
if he had stade on the track he would have hit the car in front.
lewis was not forced to take the short cut
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Other than by driving on the track, Competitors are not permitted to attempt to alter the grip of any part of the track surface.
How about when Heidfled got up the inside of Schumacher, Schumacher cut the chicane and saved a place by doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tinchote
The Stewards said no punishment because he didn't gain a position. But then in France this year, Hamilton arguably saved a position by cutting the chicane, and got penalised.
It was Klien. It was 'fine' because Alonso had to lose another 5-10 seconds to let Klien re-pass him again, despite already conceding to Klien after cutting the chicane.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
He was penalised for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdy6qzI2-A4
lol ok...so if Lewis kept his line there would not have been a crash ? or like some say here..he should have hit the breakes to avoid a crash..Where is Kimi avoiding a crash at the first corner anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
The question was:
Is it allowed to pas race leader like Hamilton did or is it not allowed?
And when we are looking on the pictures and the video we can clearly see that obviously it’s not allowed – that means: if Lewis had been on the track it had been impossible for him getting past Kimi as he did.. so what are stewards supposed to do? They must punish the driver who is breaking the rules – that easy it is. If they don’t do it – were we are going then??
My opinion is that they made right decision – and I’m sure they did know what the media should say about it afterwards. Especially the English … a Courageous decision in my mind.. :)
Ok, tell me how it is possible that a car that goes off the circuit is only 6km slower on the next straight (and right behind) a car that goes around the circuit correctly? Fair? No advantage? How can going off the circuit result in an overtaking manouvre in the next corner? That shouldn't be possible. Anyway it's up to the stewards to tell the drivers what they can do before these things happen, but they just aren't very good, are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke