Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'm also impressed with the fact that you finally found reason in one of my posts! :p :
Jokes aside, I'm glad to see there are people who think but I'm also sad to see that only one other person around here did understand what this was all about, although the comments of the Dutch representative were quoted a few times in this thread.

People mostly post here because they are in rage, because their emotions, so masterfully controlled by the media, push them to express their frustrations. However very few did try to think about what exactly was the reason behind the votes cast Tuesday.

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But do you not agree that a large element of embarrassment about Max's behaviour, and some genuinely-held views about it being unacceptable, also came into it?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But do you not agree that a large element of embarrassment about Max's behaviour, and some genuinely-held views about it being unacceptable, also came into it?

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People hate him or like him depending on what they read about him, not based on what they know about his work.
Most around here have little knowledge about what he did good or wrong for F1. Everything that is bad in F1 is Max's fault, even if in reality it is Bernie's, the teams' or another third party's fault.

Views are based mostly on fiction, that's the problem. People just jump on the bandwagon without actually taking their time to search for data and analyze it.

This is my view.

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Originally Posted by ioan

People hate him or like him depending on what they read about him, not based on what they know about his work.
Most around here have little knowledge about what he did good or wrong for F1. Everything that is bad in F1 is Max's fault, even if in reality it is Bernie's, the teams' or another third party's fault.

Views are based mostly on fiction, that's the problem. People just jump on the bandwagon without actually taking their time to search for data and analyze it.

This is my view.

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But surely you can understand why some people who know perfectly well what he's done in his job over the years find the newspaper story so distasteful that it has changed their view of him to such an extent that they don't think he can continue? Not everyone with a vote, nor everyone expressing an opinion on the subject, necessarily bases this opinion on wider motives. You must also remember that there are many people who are very conservative when it comes to reports of sexual behaviour, and immediately think that anything of this nature is revolting. I'm not one of them, mind.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

for you and me, you are right and it probably isn't relevant. For someone in max's position, it is.

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I absolutely see where you're coming from, but why should being in the public eye mean that you have to alter your... er, shall we say, personal tastes just because you might end up getting caught by a tabloid newspaper?

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Originally Posted by hmmm - donuts

Might be an interesting read - BBC's Panorama investigation of FIA/FOM/FOCA Etc...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...t_16_11_98.txt

...some of text doesn't quite line up but you'll get the gist

Regards

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This really is quite amazing.

ioan, in reference to your last post, what do you say to this?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But surely you can understand why some people who know perfectly well what he's done in his job over the years find the newspaper story so distasteful that it has changed their view of him to such an extent that they don't think he can continue?

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Unless they are some hypocrite puritans I can't understand them.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

In what way does Mosley's sexual behaviour in itself affect his ability to carry out his FIA role? If we leave out the as yet unproven Nazi element, I don't see the two things as being linked in such a way as the examples you describe where there is a definite 'conflict of interests'.

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It's the mental state of such people, their ability to allow their sexual pursuation cloud their judgement. (If his wife had no idea what he was up to, does that make it OK). That is what I am bleating about.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

This really is quite amazing.

ioan, in reference to your last post, what do you say to this?

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I'll give it a read when I have enough time, it looks quite long.

I read a bit and I see someone agrees that it's good that Bernie is working like a dictator. In the same time I recall how people called Max a "bad" dictator (compared to Bernie) for pushing some rules through.

I'll answer you question as soon as I have read the article.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It's the mental state of such people, their ability to allow their sexual pursuation cloud their judgement. (If his wife had no idea what he was up to, does that make it OK). That is what I am bleating about.

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What?
I hope you aren't trying to tell us that you don't think about sex. Or that when it happens it will cloud your judgement. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ioan

People hate him or like him depending on what they read about him, not based on what they know about his work.
Most around here have little knowledge about what he did good or wrong for F1. Everything that is bad in F1 is Max's fault, even if in reality it is Bernie's, the teams' or another third party's fault.

Views are based mostly on fiction, that's the problem. People just jump on the bandwagon without actually taking their time to search for data and analyze it.

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Leaving aside views expressed on this forum, do you argue that the many voices calling for Max's resignation, both before and after the EGM vote, "hate him or like him depending on what they read about him" or that their views are based on fiction?