First of all the driver picks the set up, so how are the engineers making it so bad? Use a bit of common sense before chatting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walach
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First of all the driver picks the set up, so how are the engineers making it so bad? Use a bit of common sense before chatting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walach
Solberg in the first car, Suninen or Mikkelsen top candidates for the second. JMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Well, from some close to the team, to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
But i don't understand why, if you want to get rid of someone, just terminate the contract.
But i don't see an obvious candidate to step in at the 3.seat?
Have the new teamboss a favorite outside the team?
This is just what i heard, but it is written as a question, is it at all something in it?
If Oliver is out after ypres, we probably know its something in it.
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Originally Posted by cali
My comment was an attempt at a joke, but apparently poor one :/Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
It was a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walach
I got it.
Even the slightest of view of the on-board camera shows that there was zero 'snap' of the car that put him off. He was in the wrong gear for God's sake....
He messed up in an inexcusable manner and cost the team dearly.
Yeah right....you sabotage a third of your entry because you don't like those guys, but you pay them big money regardless. Think for a moment, no one would be that stupid!Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
lol, here we go again with the Neuville-bashing pro-Mikkelsen fantasy posts to find excuses on why Mikkelsen was sacked after his poor Hyundai stint...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
..and Paddon and Loeb. They all suddenly forgot how to drive. Loeb won the last rally in previous team (Catalunya 2018) and first in next (Monte 2022).Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Some guys see Mikkelsen mentioned among 3 other drivers (Paddon and Solberg here) and go full retard. Back to the topic...
... on topic:
Every team has a limited number of resources. Be it money, people/hours or homologation jokers.
At some point things get prioritized.
When a driver is winning/taking podiums with the car the teams rarely prioritize using resources on a driver that struggles in a few rallies. Sometimes even out of fear of making the car worse for the driver that brings results. (Ex. Changing the car for Loeb while Neuville is winning with it).
Other examples are Lappi at Toyota 2018, Lappi again at Citroen 2019 (says it took the team half a year to finally make a diff he wanted, for sure was different for Ogier).
I don't believe anyone is doing this "on purpose" to get rid of a driver. But when asked to prioritize there clearly will be multiple levels and there can be personal reasons too.
Right now for example Hyundai would surely prioritize making the car good for Tanak, instead of making changes for Solberg. No need to "want to get rid of Solberg" for that.
Don't shoot the Messenger, i just wrote what i has been told from a realible source, and asked question if that is possible.
I want the best drivers in the best possible tool to go as fast as possible. WRC is nowere near that these days.
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The last part is incorrect, no team develops a car for one driver, that makes litterally no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
With the first point about priortitizing resources on a driver that struggles, again, its a TEAM and they all share data, they all try each others setups at tests. When you see the end result, its the driver and driver alone, after a PET the driver has a debrief with the engineers before the set up is decided, this is from ramp angles, to damper spec, to spring rates, to anti roll bars, to engine/hybrid maps and the list goes on. When that car leaves service its the drivers choice of set up on that vehicle.
The only people who always go full retard in here are Mikkelsen superfans with Norwegian glasses on. Everybody knows Hyundai isn't the easiest car to drive and adapt, this isn't nearly enough of an excuse for Mikkelsen's poor performance and Solberg's terrible season so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Let alone the funny rumor that Oliver is being sabotaged or that it's the setup's fault, when we know the reason of his crash.
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Originally Posted by focus206
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Originally Posted by mknight
Don't know if you (mknight) meant me for answering Eli's post, but clearly nobody else was having this ^ conversation recently apart from you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
There's very recent posts about Mikkelsen, just check the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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OK thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Sorry for stirring such a mess guys, was just curious if anyone here knows/knew what could their line-up look like for next year, because imho keeping young Solberg in the third car doesn't make much sense atm.
Anybody but Mikkelsen or Paddon IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Maybe the last part wasn't perfectly clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
What I meant that if for example after Estonia Tanak doesn't like something on the car and Solberg doesn't like something else and the team only has time to look on one of those things, it is perfectly clear that they will look at the issue bothering Tanak.
That said I also disagree with what you write here. I really doubt Tanaks input during car development had same impact as Solbergs.
(none of this above explains why Solberg keeps doing the stupid things he does)
Most logical is Suninen
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I also think suninnen is the most obvious one, but is paddon a posibility? Close ties to Hyundai, but that's local importer?
Just hope Oliver can have a season in the WRC2 and not completely out.
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Of course Oliver will have a Full season in wrc2 there is still a lot of money behind him. One thing i dont understand is that nowdays everyone is in such a rush to rally 1 cars before even gettin results in rally 2 (solberg/Fourmaux) not everyone can be like Rovanperä. Huttunen, Suninen and Mikkelsen are much better and reliable options in my opinion. Now solberg and Fourmaux have cost a lot of money in destroyed cars and no result to show for it
Sordo + Suninen if they can convince Sordo to keep going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
They might try to get Evans (how long is his contract?), who doesn't seem very happy at Toyota atm.
If none of these work out they are in trouble.
Paddon might get some chance after he has shown he can fight with top WRC2 guys (might happen).
Thing is that Solberg and Fourmaux are trying to be better than Rovanpera. He could beat anyone in R5 and got WRC2 title before moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galev62
Best thing for oliver in my opinion now would be to stop rally for few months and only drive rallycross so he can start enjoy driving again. Second thing is that Petter and Pernilla need to be banned from where ever he is driving. One thing that could help is personal mental and physical coach from hintsa (same that f1 drivers use). Also the reality tv and everything needs to be stopped around him and make him only focus on improving himself. Next season fully in rally 2 with good testing and no surrounding pressure and factors. He is talented and last time we saw it was in 2019 with polo r5 . And mayby little bit in artic rally.
I meant 2020 with the poloQuote:
Originally Posted by Galev62
Thing is these things are data driven, i can give you plenty examples but it would give away some stuff (insert wink here)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
With regards to your last comment, see above.
Ogier back to pair up with Neuville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
And a shared car with Suninen and Sordo.
Suninen should have been in the car in the first place. Someone how fought for a podium in only his second start in a 17 spec car surly has more potential than what we saw in 2021.
Well he was in the car in Monza 2021, wasn't rally impressive.
But then again it was in the old tricky tarmac car (and by that time Solberg was already announced with Sordo in 3rd car).
Oliver is a talent, no doubt about it. He needs to gain experience and develop his skills and mental strength. Rally2 for 2 seasons in a i20.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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I think rallycross is the cause of his problems. You can't drive rally like a rallycross event. Maybe I'm wrong thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Galev62
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I dont know yes his driving style is very agressive but good drivers can adapt to anything for example Grönholm. Root cause is in my opinion that he isnt learning and discovering things himself. There is rumors that his father even made him setup last season. When he starts to learn things him self he can find the style that he is most comfortable in. One of the reason i think he is driving so agressive is the pressure he is under and he is just trying too hard and the Fast driving now doesnt come naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
For Hyundai, there are two strategies possible IMO depending on their assessment of their priorities:
- either they consider reliability is the main issue and 3rd driver a minor one and they follow with one young guy with potential who have already made a RC1 development season, expecting that he could skyrocket; and in that case, Solberg is the obvious choice even if his season is difficult (Knowing the car and no other young drivers with already RC1 experience has been convincing so far)
- or they consider that the reliability issue is already so important that they prefer to deal with an experienced driver. However, there is no that much option available and no real driver deserving a full-time spot: best option would probably to convince Sordo to make another year (he said that retirement is not 100% decided) to share a car with Mikkelsen, Lappi (if Toyota decides not to keep him) or Suninen.
Taking a rookie doesn’t sound very possible considering there is no big talent available and you know you would have to spend another development season.
But the driver market will probably not moved before one or two months: all the main drivers have a contract (and 2 seats already locked for Toyota and Hyundai), a lot of uncertainty with youngsters being quite disappointing and also probably some question marks about the future of the trio Sordo/Loeb/Ogier.
Belgium-Greece and New Zealand (and at last Catalunya because Japan is too late) will probably help some directors to take decisions.
Also co-driver change should be made in my opinion to someone more experienced than edmonsson and who will sometimes disagree with him and tell him if he is doing something wrong and not just say okay to everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galev62
Well he was underwhelming in Monza, but he would have been a good substitute for Sordo on the fast gravel (and sweden) events. But yeah by that point Solberg was already confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
to me, best way for hiunday would be to make a satellite "monster energy" team with Solberg family running it, 1 car for oliver development without pressure and maybe another one for paying youngsters.
Main team with 3rd car free for rotating even 10 drivers if they fit.
What makes you think Elliott 'just says okay' to everything? Co-drivers without brains don't end up in world rally cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galev62
That's pretty rude about a guy with more than enough experience at the top level (don't forget he was Elfyn's test and gravel crew co-driver for a couple of years).
It's not like Gus turned into an instant rally winner after replacing him with Chris Patterson...
Last time someone said something against oliver meaning Aaron he was immediately replaced. Someone like Sebastian Marshall would be really good option in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Marshall doesnt fit into the car
Anyone hear the Dirtfish podcast where they back Solberg's driving talent with reference to his speed at a young age in a 600hp RX car. And also in the high-spec Subaru WRX STI on his first experience of American rallies ?
He clearly has a big talent and I cant see him taking a step back from Rally 1. Small mistakes are punished hard at this level and look how many mistakes even the mighty Tanak made over the years before he became the finished article...