Great footage, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
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Great footage, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
I don't know about this particular turn, but Kubica is doing this all the time, and I suspect that's with purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I actually timed few of his turns (enter/exit) with stopwatch, and yes he's slower by almost half second by going wide.
So, is it possible that he is exiting the turn faster, and gaining advantage after the turn, accelerating quicker?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...ZozCJU3JDWa8Mw
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...tYo2Glac6tAC1Q
Is there any video of the press conference on Sunday morning?
Some small review
Had a great Rallye Monte-Carlo. Especially on tarmac it was very spectacular. Seen 9 stages (4 on thursday, 4 on Friday, 1 on saturday, we left after Turini 1 to avoid too much trouble with the snow). Pitty both Hyundai's were out so fast. After we've seen Neuville on SS1, we thought he had to crash, he was so fast, too fast...
These are the "splits" recovered from data in my photos, all in the apex of a corner 6kms into the stage (minutes/seconds), so regarding they start every 2mins you can calculate the differences:
25:15 - Ogier
26:54 - Neuville
29:12 - Latvala
31:12 - Hirvonen
33:20 - Sordo
35:06 - Ostberg
37:13 - Prokop
39:06 - Mikkelsen
41:17 - Evans
42:58 - Kubica
45:00 - Bouffier
47:02 - Meeke
I've seen a Hyundai go by only 4 times, but on one place (SS4) we were on a fast section, 2 fast corners following each other, and the chassis looked really good and stable. On the looks the car wasn't slower than the others, for sure not. I think (and hope) they can do something with this car this year... :)
First loop (SS1 and 3) was quite disappointing in fact, all drivers were on wrong tires and took it easy (except for Neuville and we know the consequences). On SS3 we've seen a huge crash of Augoyard (DS3 R3T), arrived too fast in a fast left corner, got out of the clean line on the ice and slid off, went off and the car ended up way below the road, when you were on the road you couldn't see the car anymore. Anyone has a video of this crash? There were at least 100 people who have seen it.
2nd loop was better. It was wet tarmac, but the drivers had the right tyres and looked much more confident. We were on 2 fast sections on both SS4 and SS6, very spectacular to see the drivers go sideways on tarmac at 130+kph. Pitty the spectators were incredibly dangerous, standing after the exit of these fast corners, just rows of people next to the road. When you arrive at a stage you have 5 Marshalls and 10 policemen, when you move on for 500m you don't see anyone...
On Friday we started off with the long Vitrolles stage, quite close after the start. We had a nice overview, could see the start and follow them for something like 2kms. We were closest to a very fast left corner with a little bump. It was interesting to see that the DS3's didn't cope as well with the bump, both Fiesta and VW very stable. Also the R5 (Protasov) was clearly less stable as well. After that we went to Selonnet, Some 5kms after the start. Nice overview, incredible landscapes. Same counts for SS Sisteron we did later. We were in a downhill section a few kms before the finish, JML was attacking like a mad man there, throwing the car sideways from one corner into the other, with Andreas Mikkelsen following 100m behind him with a much cleaner line... :D
On Saturday followed the big finale of course, the Col de Turini. Plenty of snow, we were in the downhill section, you could see 5 corners. A pleasant surprise was Jean Ragnotti driving some stock Clio as VIP car, throwing the car sideways from one corner into the other :D The WRC drivers themselves looked quite calm, they were clearly driving to survive those 6 kms of snow. Gilbert was very spectacular there, but the time didn't follow. After the first loop it never stopped snowing, at least half of the spectators left the stage, and we decided to do the same, so we wouldn't get stuck in the snow. Anyway it took us 40 minutes to get the car on the road and ready to go...
All in all a great event, my 7th different WRC rally so far, and I'm looking forward to return some day... :)
My photos are online on http://www.rally-image.be
i think he just often brakes too late. if it would be the faster way, all drivers would do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
It's a matter of driving style + road conditions. It's not an easy answer I guess who gains/looses where, but accelerating on straight line should be quicker on theory, and depending on how slippery the road is, the gain should be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Kubica drives only by his left hand and he is pushing the handbrake lever, not pulling like others. It might be quite difficult to make it all right every time...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Yes, there should be a gain. Like in speedway, the outer line is longer, but quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
But who knows, Mirek's suggestion sounds possible too.
Some of my photos from my trip to Monte Carlo - most taken with an iPhone but the quality was a peasant surprise! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 4745801a64
Video coming soon too.
no video,but i had posted this yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by noel157
http://www.fia.com/rallye-monte-carlo-p ... nference-0
Tom thanks for the review.More comments please.What about Kubica? 2 beers from me.
These photos are the best imho.
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/036.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/066.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/070.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/008.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/017.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/031.jpg
finally somebody mention it.Kubica from all the videos i ve seen,seems to brake later than other drivers.Its more easy to watch it at his tests pre Monte at dry asphalt.Maybe is the reason that we see him sometimes to loose a U turn,going wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Of course the wide line is slower.
or maybe he is braking at the optimum point but lacks the ability to quickly perform handbrake turns...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Here's my video from the rally - including some overtaking and Bouffier right on the limit! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wPhbL9 ... e=youtu.be
Good god! The poor bastids have to try and drive fast with those tires? :erm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Pooor bastids.... :(
What has come over the rulers of the sport that they send men out with such tires? :eek:
Certainly an interesting event and, despite some extraordinary conditions, it has confirmed what some have been saying for years. There is new talent out there capable of challenging and bettering the old firm of under performing factory backed drivers.
And I'm sure there's more to come.
We will see on other events. Rallye Monte Carlo is really very specific event...
Well, no matter what the issue is, his stage times are competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcosg
If we agree that going wide is slower, then the only logical conclusion is that Kubica will get even quicker once he overcomes those mistakes. We'll see .............
divmii. what an awesome pic. Love the hot brakes. Is that yours?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeCphSP ... e=youtu.be
Hyundai's Monte review. I like the team's performance and professional attitude, so far. It's not easy to show footage of both your broken cars on their debut event! No-one is expecting them to have a debut year like VW did, but I fully expect to see them on the podium, say, twice in 2014.
Who will drive 2nd car in Sweden? Hanninen I guess?
Yes, entry list is already out.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
no is not mine.Really awesome photo!Quote:
Originally Posted by litifeta
finally somebody mention it.Kubica from all the videos i ve seen,seems to brake later than other drivers.Its more easy to watch it at his tests pre Monte at dry asphalt.Maybe is the reason that we see him sometimes to loose a U turn,going wide.
Of course the wide line is slower.[/quote]
Well, no matter what the issue is, his stage times are competitive.
If we agree that going wide is slower, then the only logical conclusion is that Kubica will get even quicker once he overcomes those mistakes. We'll see .............[/quote]
To me it looks like hes using the wet karting line, which makes sense on wet or greasy asphalt, you try to keep off the rubber thats been put down.
That indeed make sense but in my opinion only on circuits. Rally tyres are much harder than circuit ones, there is much less passes and they are spread over all road unlike on circuits where they all take same lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by RJM
I think that Kubicas aproach could be faster, if we consider that he must brake less, has higher corner speed and accelerates from higher corner speed. To compare usual aproach with handbrake and Kubicas, you have to measure the time not directly from corner entrance to exit but say some 50m before and 50m after, there should be a noticable difference.
I usually agree with Mirek, but in this case, it has no correlation with his hand, his hand is quick enough, you can't drive in rally, let alone win them, if you're behind with your reactions/executions in extreme situations.
Rally tyres are harder of course, but are scrubbing more into corners depending on drivers, your probably right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
His right hand is almost useless for driving. Sadly it's fact. He can use it to hold a cup of coffee but not for much more. I didn't want to argue about his driving and if his wide lines are better or not. I just wanted to add a possible reason for his wild style. I agree that he is braking very late as somebody pointed out. That is definitely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by mm1
wide lines are not faster.Kubica drove some U turns with wide lines by accident.Plenty of other U turns without wide lines from him at Monte at videos we ve seen.
I think Kubica is more than enough fast for the moment. He need to build consistency from now on.
If your saying he braking later than others , then it is the others that should work on there braking and despite people saying his lines look bad , but it's the times that count not the lines and for first wrc rally in fiesta and first monte very well done . And he was first to say sorry and that he made a mistake judging the grip level to the m-sport guys so fair play !
Full rally review on UK channel ITV 4 on now (starts/ed 8pm UK time):
http://www.itv.com/itv4/
Your right that its only the times that count, and hes properly fast for his experience, but usually theres not much point in braking later if your missing the apex's, but he does seem to be doing it on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by adr17
Interesting observation from this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvRS9-85XJs
Ogier brakes too late, goes wide, very wide and accelerates carefully. Hirvonen brakes early, perfect line of the corner and accelerates hard sideways. From the time of appearance of the car to the time it dissapears, it is the same time for both of them.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but not all U turns are wide enough to allow different lines. In fact most of the U turns in Monte have only one possible line. But then again, the wide U turns are inviting for late braking, and prone to mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
What a rubbish. You have no idea what you are talking about, just go to watch any WRC rally and see what he can do with his right hand. If you suggested he drives with one hand then you have no clue about rally driving. It's not rocket science to search you tube to see how he cope and just follow his carrier, interviews, comments if you can watch rally live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I don't think it's rubbish. When Mirek says he can hold a cup of coffee, it's the same to grab a wheel and other things. The movement of his tendons must be very limited, or else there was no need to put the paddle shift on the left side like the Ford has.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Here I attach the video of our rally.
Best regards!
http://youtu.be/lIE0XgFFw_E