No innovation. In a word: boring.
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No innovation. In a word: boring.
Looks OK I guess. Dare I ask how much it will cost? :s
So Apple have released a slightly faster version of the Galaxy 2. LTE is nice but not unique, everything else is just playing catch-up.
Innovation my arse. Exactly as expected!
Apple's Phil Schiller explains new 'Lightning' port, doesn't think much of NFC and wireless charging -- EngadgetQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Schiller also explained the reason for the iPhone 5's new "Lightning" port, which allows for faster data transfer between phone and computer, but also requires an adapter ($29) for use with Apple's previous wire standard. Apparently Apple's future lineup would be impossible without the new connecter, according to Schiller. He attempted to assuage concerned consumers with one hopeful promise: "This is the new connector for many years to come."
And finally, when pressed on wireless charging -- a main feature of Nokia's flagship Windows Phone 8 device, the Lumia 920 -- Schiller said such a feature offers little to consumers beyond confusion. "Having to create another device you have to plug into the wall is actually, for most situations, more complicated," he said. As per usual, the iPhone 5 will charge via USB -- using the new dock connector, of course. But surely, turning a bunch of cables into just one giant wireless charging plate aligns well with Apple's simplicity design, right?
Now now Ioan! At least they haven't complicated things with wireless charging or NFC. I must admit it confuses the crap out of me when I go to McDonalds and pay for my meal by presenting the card to the reader rather than putting the card in the card reader, waiting for it to accept the card, put my pin in and then come back saying my pin is fine. Don't get me started on the wireless charging that comes with the Lumia 920, how confusing is that?!?!?!?!? Almost as confusing as using an induction hob in a kitchen I would imagine.
The contempt that Apple show for the customers is amazing!!!!! I'm sorry, but a chimp could probably get the hang of wireless charging and NFC............ Are they trying to say that their customers are dumb? Make up a reason, say that you felt that it would make the phone fat at least. Don't make out that things which simplify life immensely are actually complications.
The new connector means a steady stream of money to Apple from people who buy an iPhone 5 and want it to work with all the docks and things they've bought. People will think twice about getting a better and cheaper phone when they've spent far too much on some overpriced dock. But the 20 something dollar charge for an adaptor is going to piss a lot of people off, which is a good thing.
Look for Apple to put these features in the 5s or 6 or whatever they call their next phone that I still won't buy :)
I think this is a great launch :) Apple needed to step up to the plate and deliver something that matched the GS3 and Lumia 920 and they failed badly :) The zealots and sheep will buy it as always, but a lot of people will struggle to see why they should spend more for less than they'll get with one of the above hero phones.
With anything you have to look and pros and cons. For me bigger screen, faster processor are good. But there's nothing else except the massive disadvantage of the changed dock connector.
I was hoping for a wow factor. It was completely absent :( .
Not saying I wouldn't buy one eventually ;) . But the sensible thing to do would he to continue with my 4S at least until the 5S is out.
They will sell a lot because it's iPhone. But at this point Apple are relying on that. Just as Nokia hoped they could put out any old tat and people would buy it because of the name.
Time to look out for a cheap 64gb 4S.... :)
Go for it Jamie ;)
Just out of curiosity I've checked the current prices for a 4S on my carrier's website, of course, the iphone5 discount for the 4S didn't kick in yet, I think, but nevertheless... with a 35 euro per month plan the phones comes at 289 euros... and for a 22 euro plan the price is 500 euros :laugh: ... how is that possible? even for a 85 euro plan the price is 179... I guess prices must be different in the first world...
Appear to?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Come on! They took one of the killer features of the Lumia 920 and made out that they were somehow an inconvenience. I mean seriously, if Apple had come up with a dock that allowed you to charge without a cable and play music through a dock without a cable or having to dock then that would be considered groundbreaking and would be THE must have feature for all phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I'm sorry, but anyone who doesn't think that this is an extremely smart idea is just kidding themselves.
Nokia Lumia 920's pairs up to JBL PowerUp Wireless Charging Speaker with NFC - Pocket-lint
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For Apple to come along and say that wireless charging is confusing (you can still charge with a cable) when it's exactly the sort of fuss free technology that they're meant to be behind.
Apple appeases European lawmakers with Lightning-to-microUSB adapter -- Engadget
Apple have also been forced by the EC to release an adaptor so you can use a microusb cable with iPhones...... But you have to pay for it and it's another thing to carry around so no one in their right mind would buy one.
This comment says it all "Lightning to microUSB adapters because wireless charging is too complicated."
Yeah, that worked really good for Nokia too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
And when you buy one you need to get a new SIM card as well because 5S uses new nano-sim-cards so if you have some data on your current SIM card that you want to keep it needs to be moved to other storage first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
How nice is to see so many good old friends posting again... Oh wait, there are only here to bash Apple lol :p :
:wave: ;)
Well, someone has to open people's eyes up I guess :) :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Others feel the same EDITORIAL: Why did the iPhone 5 skimp on true innovation? - GSMArena BlogQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
As always Apple will innovate when the technology has been out for a while. Holding back features has worked for Apple so far, but it's two years now since they really changed anything and you can sit virtually still for that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Daniel you need to try harder to open my eyes, but I appreciate your effort ;)
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You will come around eventually :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Being a Nokia's fanboy for years...all dipends on them ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Lumia 920 completely eclipses the iPhone 5 :) All the important Apps are on Windows Phone already and more will come to WP8.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
The problem for current iPhone owners is that it is worse. Because none of your current chargers will work. I have 5 that I can think of.
Thing is henners, you know that's not going to happen, you're very aware of the fact that Apple could have launched something virtually identical to the 4s and people would have still bought millions of them due to just being plain ignorant and fanboyish. Specs and quality have little to do with it these days. An iPhone for most people carries an aura with it and that's enough for most people. I'm under no illusions that Nokia's Windows Phone lineup will outsell the iPhone 5, but objectively you'll be getting more for your money and you'll be getting something more futureproof. But Apple are all for planned obselescence anyway.....Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I wouldn't say that. After all Apple have only just stopped selling the 3GS which came out in 2009. Yet it is still getting iOS 6. As a 4S owner I can expect OS upgrades for a long time yet.
Most people who buy smartphones of any sort are ignorant so I don't understand why Apple purchasers are any different. I have been a loyal Android user but I'll happily admit I am ignorant as to how my phone or OS really stacks up against its direct rivals or what features it has. I don't think most aspects of the technical specs are important to attract 90% of customers except screensize/resolution, memory size and camera resolution. The most important aspect are about branding, looks and price. Cost is ultimately why Android outsells Apple, the handsets and contracts are cheaper. Talk about profitability though and Apple wins hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
This new iPhone is clearly nothing special and leaves a lot of room for the iPhone 5S to improve on. I do think its a dangerous move for Apple as I can see this phone becoming obsolete on the technical front very quickly and there is nothing that (to my untrained eyes) is interesting or is a new USP.
The Apple brand is probably strong enough to survive one or two damp squibs like this but the followup had better be eyepoppingly advanced if it is to retain market share IMO. Thats the problem that comes with being the market leader in terms of individual phone manufacturers.
I suspect that Apple have performed a lot of market research that tells them that people value the Apple brand for things like user friendliness, seamless integration between soft and hardware and style rather than pure technical superiority and gadgetry which is why the iPhone 5 is disappointing on the technical front. However such an approach is unlikely to win them many conquest sales from Android especially if they also don't add a cheaper option to their iPhone range. I find that omission the biggest missing factor in the Apple range, when they released the flagship iPod they quickly added less capable but much cheaper versions which sold very well, surely the same business model has potential for the iPhone.
Well, you can either buy 5 adaptors at £25 each :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Lightning to 30-pin Adapter - Apple Store (UK)
Rather a sleek and elegant solution don't you think?
*Video out and iPod out not supported *snigger*
There's ignorant and paying over the odds then there's ignorant and buying something which suits your needs and which is quite cheap :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
As a former disappointed Android user I have no desire to go back to it, getting an iPhone was one of the best decisions I've ever made! After buying quite a few apps, it would mean hassle and expense switching away again which is another reason to stick with it.
Can't think what else I would need in a phone TBH :)
Daniel I'm curious. On another thread you linked Apple to deaths at Foxconn and said that they were responsible. Yet you're touting Nokias as being a suitable alternative. These are also made by Foxconn. Are you not concerned about Nokia's manufacturing ethics?
I have to say that if the iPhone is reasonably priced I will be tempted to dump Android for it regardless of the spec purely based on the stability of the device. I will also be looking at Windows based phones but they are going to have to be very very good to stop me switching.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
As I am not far into a 24 month contract I would have to buy an unlocked one - £529 for 16Gb, £629 for 32Gb and £699 for 64Gb apparently. Even so, after my relocation with work I may still be tempted.
I always thought that Daniel and objectivity when it came to Apple were mutually exclusive, but I suppose we all learn something new every day.
Smartphones (and tablets) ceased to be solely about hardware a long time ago. It is software and the user-experience that matters now. Long gone are the days when people would happily tinker with settings as a hobby on their digital device. People now use smartphones/computers/tablets like a common-day kettle/fridge/any other day electrical device, and they want the user experience to be seamless. Apple's ecosystem does this rather well.
I'm sure the iPhone 5 will sell particularly well indeed. Perhaps the new Nokia does have higher-spec hardware. How much people like the operating system and interface will decide which one comes out on top.
The fact of the matter is that producing successful devices leads to diminishing returns. There is surely an optimal design for any generation of device, and trying to better that hardware in successive devices must be incredibly difficult.
Are you going to be totally loaded like? Interesting ;)
I only buy Motorola cell phones.
New laptop, new bike, new iPad, possibly new phone, paid for by my employers = winner :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
THEN I will be skint ;)
Actually you've got that one wrong. Snobs don't like it when someone tells them that thy are doing something wrong. And let's face it about 90% of all Apple users are snobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Unstable?! Sure sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
In stark contrast to yourself of course ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Not familiar with UK contracts, is there a difference between getting a contract Iphone and getting unlocked Iphone and similarly specced data/phone plan over the two years time?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I personally know many Apple users (Mark and Jamie among them) and I can garantee that they are far from being snob...ups you said about 90% not all of them, sorry :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
you disappoint me Pino. :( I always thought that you were an Italian Vineyard billionaire. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino