another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by ioan

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The downside for me is that I will not have to worry about my children's lives being wasted. I can live with it.

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Which of us seem more relaxed in ourselves — the Europeans or the Americans?

You are 30 times more likely to be shot in America than you are in the UK. The downside to this for us Brits is that we can only change our government through voting in elections. Somehow this makes us less free?

Maybe Obama's handling of this will define his presidency more than the killing of Bin Laden or his economic plans. He could go down in history as the president who finally made Americans see sense at the madness of these massacres.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

You are 30 times more likely to be shot in America than you are in the UK. The downside to this for us Brits is that we can only change our government through voting in elections. Somehow this makes us less free?

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Think about how warped a notion it is — the gun as a symbol of positivity.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I know there are many among us that are cynics when it comes to what this country (USA) can really do to get out of this crazy rut.


The sentiment out here is very strong with people demanding change.
Our politicians are being asked to make a stand so it will be very interesting to see what will actually transpire.


This goes from the president, to the senators, to the governors, to the mayors and to all the citizens of this country that actually want their chosen representatives to represent their voices.


This could really be a turning point and it is an understatement to say that this is great opportunity for this great country right now.


Many people are sad, many people are pissed off -


. . . . to be continued.

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Race, my mind boggles as to how The United States of America is going to even partially get rid of 200+million guns. How can this be processed?

Then, not to be outdone, we are having random drive-by shootings regularly in Australia. I think it is gang related, possibly drug turf warfare, but us Ozzies are not going to let the US of A get away with all the attention; Our guys shot one dead, it seems.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No 2, I think, can't be criticised. Target shooting is a perfectly legitimate sport.

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I should think since it's in the Olympics and most countries field teams.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Race, my mind boggles as to how The United States of America is going to even partially get rid of 200+million guns. How can this be processed?

Then, not to be outdone, we are having random drive-by shootings regularly in Australia. I think it is gang related, possibly drug turf warfare, but us Ozzies are not going to let the US of A get away with all the attention; Our guys shot one dead, it seems.

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It will never happen here. I am not a gun nut or even pro-gun but I know that no one will ever come and take everyones guns. I fail to see how it would be possible and I don't get how people believe it could happen. At best they might get some registered weapons, some. But there are plenty of people with plenty of unregistered weapons. And people will find another way. Case in point, I posted earlier about a school shooting here in town. The shooter tried to buy a firearm and the background checks were taking too long or he didn't pass them so he went and bought a compound bow and arrows and giant knives. His "note" was released today and he was a very very disturbed individual who basically diagnosed himself with Aspbergers syndrome and because he believes CHina is a far more responsible nation than we are.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I believe your concept of gun ownership has injected into US society at best a deeply unpleasant element, and I believe it has, subconsciously perhaps, contributed to many a tragedy. Attempt in your mind to separate them out if you wish, but I feel it's a link that deserves deeper consideration than you or your ilk are prepared to give it.



The triteness of these concepts as expressed by you and others like you is apparent in your need pointlessly to capitalise them — quite apart from the fact that you go on about them as though they are America's and America's alone. Given the well-known lack of knowledge of the more insular American about other countries, I would suggest that this view is misguided.

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Your condescending tone is not welcome here, and does your arguments no favor. I have never once said that those concepts are American's alone. They are capitalized in the document I am referring to, so if you have an issue with that perhaps you should take it up with Mr. Jefferson. And your insular views of the American is disturbing to me. You drone on and on about how people in the US are not "tolerant" of other's views, and yet you show absolutely zero tolerance of the views of those who happen to believe that the 2nd Amendment is there for a purpose. The Bill of Rights is not some random collection of stuff. They were well thought out and introduced in the order they were for a reason (it's to protect us from the government, since you probably have no idea of said reason).

And you will come back, yet again, with some clap-trap about how you feel sorry for Americans because we all live in fear, and need to be pandered to. Yet the data proves out that you are more likely to be struck by lightning than die in one of these mass shootings. But still you are so fearful and paranoid about this happening to you that you must beg your government (and our's as well I suppose) to pander to your fears and outlaw guns. I feel sorry for you that you feel so powerless to do anything on your own. I feel sorry for you that you must grovel at the feet of your leaders to protect you, feed you, take care of you. Most citizens of the United States feel much differently. We feel that government is a hindrance to us, that they do nothing to lift us up, only drag us down. But in all your "tolerant" views, you will simply miss that point totally.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

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Short of the tag and title(handguns and guns like an AR15 are registered) liability insurance and the annual renewals of a licence my state requires all of that for handgun and restricted gun purchases already.


And to address BDunnell's assertion that we live in fear, quite the contrary. I am quite comfortable in my ability to defend myself. I am not fearful, but I am prepared. I don't live in fear, but I am quite in touch with the realities of living and working where I do. I work in a violent city. Removing firearms from my possession does nothing to make any situation safer for me. REGULATING, recording, monitoring, etc. sales, I'm fine as I have said before. I am a licensed firearms owner, I am a registered owner and I am a federally licensed collector. I have no problem being registered or having the government knowing how many firearms I own. They'll know they will have a fight the day they ever come to even attemt to take them. Outright BANNING, and restricting sales, ownership and possession and the ilk, I am not.

Is it illegal to have large thermo-nuclear devices in schools ?

I asked about why guns are generally banned in most schools in the US , but I didn't really get many straight answers .

You could probably whack a good bunch of people with a school chair , if you really tried .
And , pencils are sharp .
You can strangle anyone with thier own shirt .


It seems like there's a point at which an item becomes "overkill" , when we are trying to reach a safe place .
Perhaps it's just the efficiency of the item in it's ability to take lives .

When someone has reached the point at which they want to make this sort of statement , it seems they will opt for the numbers .


This guy could have taken even more lives with a full auto , and reports are showing he was trying to purchase guns only a few days earlier .
It is only because he was denied by regulations that he was forced to opt for his mother's weapons .

Without those regulations , he easily could have plugged far more wee children .

With a decent thermonuclear device , he could have taken out the whole town .

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Most criminals don't walk into gun stores and buy guns. They legally can't actually. I have owned firearms since I was 10 years old.

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What is it with you Americns and breaking gun Laws? We get one member that boasts he wanders around Europe with an illegal concealed firearm and now you.

I believe where you live, it is a Class D Felony for anyone under the age of 21 to own a Firearm. Class D is a serious Felony carrying a imprisonment term of between 5 and 10 years and up to $250k fine, yet you boast here that you have had owned a firearm since you were 10.

Do you think it sensible for all 10 year old children to have posession of fireams or just the 'good' criminals like you?

Utterly amazing :(