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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

As for three-car teams, I don't see it happening, though I think it would be great because it means more action. If the manufacturers are worried about costs, then perhaps they should invest in making cars for WRC2 and WRC3, and use the income to offset the cost of a third works car, though they would probably have to sell quite a few to make it viable.

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It is not obligatory, if team can't afford it, they just won't do it, just like it was in 80's and 90's

Reading Sulland's post, I got the impression that three-car teams were proposed, but rejected. That may have something to do with the translation.

That said, if three-car teams were to happen, I think Ford and Citroen would be pretty much obligated to field a third car - at least for their works teams - if Volkswagen did, since three cars would give VW an advantage in the points standings.

And, of course, all of this remains to be confirmed.

I hope 3 car rule comes through. All the teams have more than 2 cars already, Ford just adds a paying driver to their works team. (Just like the rest I guess).

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I so hope it does too. I always felt the WRC lost it way when the 3 car rule came through in 2004. Though it was in 2006 with all the customer teams it really became a problem (and then only because they were REPLACING, not adding to works teams) WRC jumped the shark around 2009 for me cos of the super-reliability and therefore hardly anyone winning. Very unrallylike.

Max Mosley, I hold you responsible for ruining the WRC.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

Max Mosley, I hold you responsible for ruining the WRC.

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I agree, but I suspect for different reasons - I think he neglected the WRC because he was so busy pissing in the pool that was Formula 1.

Fortunately, Jean Todt recognises the importance of the WRC.

He recognises it but also does little or nothing. Whole season was ruined 'cos of TV comercial rights, etc.

I would welcome 3 car teams, it would mean more top drives so potentially more battles at top level. Competitionally a team with 2 good drivers wouldn't be be at a huge disadvantage to 3 car teams if the top 2 cars score so teams that don't want to run 3 cars aren't forced to.

This is from memory so I might be wrong but weren't 3rd cars banned as a cost cutting measure when WRC increased the calendar to 16 rounds? Also I seem to remember at the time teams said an extra car is not that much more expensive to run but that a larger calendar is a bigger problem.

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Originally Posted by seb_sh

Weren't 3rd cars banned as a cost cutting measure when WRC increased the calendar to 16 rounds? Also I seem to remember at the time teams said an extra car is not that much more expensive to run but that a larger calendar is a bigger problem.

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Yes I clearly remember the teams saying that, but the FIA didn't listen. They also didn't listen to Jimmy Mcrae when he said the WRC would suffer without Colin. The 2 car rule was ridiculous as it also left Mcrae without a drive.

But now I think of it, when the WRC really lost it for me was with Superrally, an utter joke when someone can retire and still score points, denying the privateers who so need the recognition, and who worked hard to stay on the road.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

Yes I clearly remember the teams saying that, but the FIA didn't listen. They also didn't listen to Jimmy Mcrae when he said the WRC would suffer without Colin. The 2 car rule was ridiculous as it also left Mcrae without a drive.

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My recollection of the problem which left Colin without a paid ride was down to one thing: excessively high demands for salary--what was it reported at the time? I think he was demanding £5 million and it was a long time since he'd been really hot...
Very odd I thought at the time that he says on camera "I'd do this for nuthin" but drops out when he can't get is 5 mil a year..

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But now I think of it, when the WRC really lost it for me was with Superrally, an utter joke when someone can retire and still score points, denying the privateers who so need the recognition, and who worked hard to stay on the road.

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Yep. Pretty silly.
Over here in Fortress America™ we had forever a system where you got 2 points in the "National Champignonskit" for every event you'd enter....I had a guy I helped building engines/gearbox/suspension who won our National 2wd non-turbo class and got support from Saab USA for a "new gen" 900 turbo and did everything himself---and had a string of like 10 DNFs and one crap result so he had 20 pts just for entering, and for the season "beat" several guys who had won rounds when the events were near for them but no other events..
DNFs beating anybody was insane, DNFs beating class wins......only in America.

But! "All" the fan-bois are used to just hitting the http://helen-lingard.com/wp-content/...set-button.jpg "so, like, whatever doood"

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Brother John: I must disagree with you in moving this here. The R Classes news i more of a tech thread, but this one is intended to discuss FIAs suggestions to beat the old WRC horse into life again! ;-)

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I couldn't agree more. The last fourteen posts (including this one) in the thread have nothing in common with the R classes talk.