Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Daniel

4. Still he got tow which he wouldn't have with how far he would have been behind had he taken his CRAP line through the corner.

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Out of interest, do you actually know what culminated in Hamilton being on this "crap" line through the corner?

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

He could've followed Kimi and taken it correctly.

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There was not enough room, it was a split second decision, and no racing driver making a split second decision will park the car simply so they can go through the corner without ploughing into the other cars sidepod, when they can cut across the chicane and then concede their position, to make it fair.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Had Lewis let Kimi by earlier on the straight , he might have had a chance to defend . As it was the move at the chicane had a direct effect on the pass at La Source .

He should , therefore , have waited to get him , which he would , on the hill after Eau Rouge .

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Perhaps that's what Kimi expected him to do, which might explain why he didn't really defend at La Source allowing Hamilton to make a great move on the brakes.

I do think that Kimi's poor defence at La Source, and Hamilton's ability on the brakes, contributed to there being a penalty awarded against Hamilton. Had the McLaren not got through at the hairpin then there may have been no penalty at all IMHO.

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Originally Posted by jens

It wasn't an overambitious overtaking move, because Räikkönen braked so early that Hamilton had not other option than to take alongside him. Secondly he stayed on the circuit, with overambitious move he should have flown off.

You mentioned Monza. Well, I'm not sure, but I think it has been done several times in the past that after cutting the first chicane rival driver will be passed in the next chicane? Or not? Chicane shortcuts are quite normal there especially on the opening laps. Don't remember anyone getting penalized though.

Talking about walls. Well, if they existed, then indeed we would see serious lack of overtaking, because drivers don't dare to risk, when they have so little room for mistakes. Valencia in theory should have enabled overtaking opportunities, but we didn't see many (actually we saw just one proper pass).

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Hamilton did not stay on the circuit, he took a shortcut through asphalt that was not included int the racetrack, so the move was overambitious. My point again, can you use parts not included in the racetrack to your advantage when trying to pass people? Obviously it was a split second call but still Hamilton should have slowed down a lot more when letting Kimi pass.

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Originally Posted by tinchote

In my view, the reason why MS was not punished is seen in the picture. De La Rosa is away of the racing line, leaving no room for MS. The question in yesterday's case is whether LH did not make the corner by lack of room or excess of speed.

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But Hamilton clearly conceded the position negating the advantage he made by cutting the corner, Schumacher did not.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

...Hamilton should have slowed down a lot more when letting Kimi pass.

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Why? AFAIK there is nothing in the regs to specify how much a driver has to slow down by, just as there is nothing to say when he is allowed to challenge for position again.

Hamilton cut the chicane, got ahead of Kimi as a result, and immediately allowed the Ferrari to regain the position as he was required to do. That's it.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

I wonder why are you saying that what Massa just stated is a biased opinion? Did you read what he said? What he's saying is stating FACTS not opinion

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I did... he said this:

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That was my immediate opinion after seeing the replay.

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IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER!

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Why? AFAIK there is nothing in the regs to specify how much a driver has to slow down by, just as there is nothing to say when he is allowed to challenge for position again.

Hamilton cut the chicane, got ahead of Kimi as a result, and immediately allowed the Ferrari to regain the position as he was required to do. That's it.

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I'm sure there is a regulation about closed circuits and how in a race the winner is the one who completes the designated circuit fastest? Hamilton went off the designated circuit in a place where it's quicker to go straight through off the circuit than take the chicane and after that he didn't back off enough to negate the time-gain he got in relation to Räikkönen from short-cutting the chicane. Letting Kimi pass wasn't enough because had Hamilton made it through the chicane behind Kimi, he wouldn't have been so close behind at the start/finish line. The regulations are vague, that's probably one of the reasons that caused the incident, also circuit design should not allow people to take short cuts in high, or even moderate speeds.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Hamilton did not stay on the circuit, he took a shortcut through asphalt that was not included int the racetrack, so the move was overambitious. My point again, can you use parts not included in the racetrack to your advantage when trying to pass people? Obviously it was a split second call but still Hamilton should have slowed down a lot more when letting Kimi pass.

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well yes..why no punishment for all the drivers goin of the track at the start - first corner?..gaining advantage by doin so..keeping up speed..instead of hitting the breaks and following the racetrack...Fe like Kimi..if he would have hit the breaks like Lewis should have donne according to some on here..he would never been so close behind Massa..Or if there would have been a concrete wall he would have been out of the race....that's what I learned here over the past couple of days right ?


For those who wanne see what I mean

http://media.vrtnieuws.net/2008/09/1...0154_wmvhi.wmv

http://images.theage.com.au/ftage/ff..._470x416,2.jpg
www.f1-live.com/f1/img/regulations/2008sport_en.pdf

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30.3 a) During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the
provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits.
b) Other than by driving on the track, Competitors are not permitted to attempt to alter the grip of any
part of the track surface.

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