Is it more value if they can't actually get to as many stages to watch because the timetable is more compressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Is it more value if they can't actually get to as many stages to watch because the timetable is more compressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
How on earth would it increase the endurance element, if it were the same distance?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
For me two days just makes it more stressful, it sort of works if you can watch a couple of stages on Thursday night like it was in Finland some years, but having the podium start close to 8 in the evening on Saturday and then going out for dinner and enjoy it a bit didn't work for me, too tired!Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
A typical rally is like this: 3 stages late in the morning, service, repeat of the same stages mid-afternoon. If we would stretch the day to start earlier and end later we would have a third loop of stages which would mean a spectator could see three stages instead of two.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Simply the days of driving would be longer and rest breaks shorter. I would also imagine it would require the organizers to go for longer stages to make more efficient timetables.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Increases the endurance element too much? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
There's many ways to arrange a "two-day rally". What if it would be from Friday to Sunday. Friday starting with shakedown, then superspecial and one leg of stages in the evening. On Saturday, three legs of stages instead of two. Sunday as it is. We'd have the same amount of stages but one day less work (and one day less traveling for spectators). But I'm not sure they could make it work that simply in rallies with more busy schedules such as Finland and Wales. They would need some re-structuring and more longer stages.
Thats a fair point with WRC, I wasn't really thinking about repeat stages - as long as the spectators don't mind watching a repeat at the same stage or the other spectator points are close enough to travel to between loops I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
My thinking was more from experience with NZ rallies where we don't really repeat stages and the midday service is often remote - so there can be some distance to drive in between spectating stages, with a tight timeframe especially if you stay and watch the whole field (100+ cars for some rallies). Some people will spend the whole day leaving a stage after the top 10-20 to try and catch them at every stage, while others like me will normally stay for most of the field but only get to 2 or 3 stages each day. All part of the fun though. :)
North Island rallies can have repeat stages, to limit the number of road closures to a reduced area.
2018 Raglan national rally - 4 stages repeated twice with 1 service location.
http://nzrallychamps.co.nz/wp-conten...LLY-MAP-V2.pdf
Even the recent Silver Fern had repeat stages. I would not like to know the budgets of some competitors - spare engines and 8 days on the road. etc
But wouldn't it mean increasing the mileage by about 30k each day? (to absorb the current Sunday miles). If that's the case, it really won't be increasing the endurance element further.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well there's many ways to configure a rally. My idea would be like this (as I already posted)Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
FRIDAY
- morning shakedown
- afternoon ceremonial start and super special
- evening loop of stages
SATURDAY
- three loops of stages
SUNDAY
- as it is now
This would make Saturday a long day that you would have to survive through. Retiring on the first Saturday loop would also mean lots of Rally2 penalties and lots of missed stages. This setup would also incorporate most likely driving in the dark on both Friday and Saturday.
But of course, you could just start rally on the Friday morning and have two long days, with finish on Saturday evening. That would just make the ending of the rally very late and start very early, which many not be ideal for TV (instead of Friday evening and Sunday afternoon).
I'm not really fond of the idea of a 2 day WRC events. You'll basically spend two days travelling, to and from the event. And then two days of action really isn't enough.
But why is this discussion about event length in Citroen thread?
It came from Ogier's interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
One day shorter makes businesses less profitable around the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
However your alternative is fine for me.
The format of 2013 Rally Acropolis was a very good example for a shorter event.
There was Shakedown on Friday morning - ceremonial start in the afternoon and two passes of a demanding stage in the evening.
Saturday and Sunday as we are used.
Itinerary: https://www.ewrc-results.com/timetab...is-rally-2013/
Remember it still as one of the best WRC events ever attended (about 50 WRC events) - lots of packed action in this 3 days. And to be honest mostly at a fourth day at a WRC event its getting too much.
Didn’t find the thread, but shorter rally schedules were already discussed here some time ago; not hard to agree on them, as long a decent amount of stage kms (around 300) is kept. If somehow shorter events become current in the future, I hope we can still have a few longer ones, as a sort of grand slam (MC, GB, ARG and NZ, e.g.).
Mybe we should change thread...?
With the Loeb news it confirms that Citroen are going 100% just for the 2019 Driver's Championship with Ogier.
Only having Lappi to assist will make it even harder for Ogier than it was this year at M-Sport.
Strange gamble to pay for the top man and then skimp on team-mates (one of which could've been Loeb).
You really think, that two Seb`s in one team would work? Nice dreaming...
They get on fine now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
But even an Ostberg or Breen would've been a real help.
They are NOT in the same team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
First indicator was Ogier's complaining over guest drivers and their starting positions. He never complain over them until Loeb came and win a rally. That really is a sign that he is nice just for the media, but inside he sees him as a challenge to beat (a nine time challenge I would say). So no they are not getting fine along.
One Seb is enough, especially in Citroen case. Knowing Loeb and Ogier past history in the team and their ultra competitive nature, there's nothing strange about avoiding harmful ego fights. Besides, with Loeb getting a seat at Hyundai, maybe Budar will now be able to find some extra budget and call Ostberg for Sweden and hopefully other events. Fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
How do you work that out? It’s not like Citroen have waited so see what Loeb did. They may well have been thinking about WDC and manuf championships, but the Loeb news reduces their chances. I.e: their strategy was already defined before he signed for Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They lost budget when Abu Dhabi left, but having already signed Ogier they really should've realised that they had to fund the team properly to give him the best chance. Loeb could've done the same job as he will do for Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Citroen/ PSA make some strange decisions. They pull out Peugeot RX but dont fully support Citroen-Sport.
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Strange decisions indeed. They bought Opel. And people at the headquarters of PSA needs to afford new yachts, so there isn't money for motorsport.
Aren`t they also paying huge fines because of Opel`s engines not complying with current pollution standards?
Dont forget running the two Sebs on the same team must be very heavy on the salaries paysheet, infact I dont remeber any team running two high profile drivers at the same time with professionals so far already on their careers. Ogier must be on 7 millions plus a year and even with Abu Dhabi I am not sure Citroen could afford much for Loeb.
Ford Focus with McRae SainzQuote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Sure, different times, idk if they were payed as much at the time.
McRae was the most paid at this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
When Colin Clark (correctly) brought up the idea that Loeb could/should be signed by Hyundai, he also said he didnt believe that Loeb's salary would be an issue.. ie. its nothing like the level of Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
It’s amazing how people talk about salaries or budgets, probably without knowing the real numbers; anyway, Loeb/Citroen divorce seem far from being money related.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...38123/3092515/
Budar strategy has been quite clear since a long time: he wanted a top driver able to push the team to its best level on a permanent basis, not only in a few occasions. Loeb was never interested in doing a full season, so the only other top driver available to revamp Citroen was Ogier. To get Ogier, Budar (like Wilson during the last 2 years) had only one way: to fulfil all his demands. I very much doubt that keeping Loeb on the team was one of Ogier demands.
So once upon a time Loeb kicked out Ogier from citroen. now it's the opposite:smokin:
Some call it Karma...
I don't think that's the exact word, it comes from Hindi I think and in Hinduism they believe in afterlife and rebirth. Close enough if we think in the aspect of a life in a team.
Has the shitroen ever been first car on the road? I mean when its important I dont think it has. I may be wrong but was just a thought that came to mind unless they they really get the car sorted it could be a problem for ogier if hes 1st/2nd on the road come the gravel rounds.
Come on, You can't be serious. Loeb is long time retired guy driving just for fun. It's not like he needs PSA for anything. He brings the value not the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
He probably wasn't comparing the two directly. More likely he meant that Hyundai can afford to pay a fortune or even that he will bring enough exposure to attract another sponsor (more likely the first though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I would reckon Loeb has the salary side of things nailed... he'll have his price and to be fair, people will pay it (if it's within their budget).
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Originally Posted by T16
So why didn't citroen paid it. Surely they can afford a few millions?!?