ok, here's the next one. since it is a little bare hints forth-coming if necessary it is a pretty notable car....
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ok, here's the next one. since it is a little bare hints forth-coming if necessary it is a pretty notable car....
looks like a watson. The radiator intake has the same shape and in the right place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Actually, I am a little blurry on the "brand" - it is listed alternately as Watson and Trevis......
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Floyd Trevis built race cars in Alliance, OH and in 1961 built a car from Watson's plans. (Wilkie was mad that in 1960, Watson built all those cars for customers and in 1961 he could only sell plans or build for Leader Card.)
That based on the Roll Bar is a Trevis.
Foyt won the 1961 500 in a Trevis and retired that car after the 1963 season in favor of a 1963 Watson he tried to sell but had to put buddy Ebb Rose in it for the 1963 500. That car went on to win the 500 in 1964.
Trevis built at least two cars for the 1961 season but only one from the Watson plans, that went to the Bob Bowes Team.
From 1963:
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=13649
Note the location of the oil tank...Back
Another pure Trevis (1962)
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=13564
Here is how they looked in 1960:Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...Ward&offset=20
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=12918
And how they looked on the cover of 500 Miles to Go!
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=37806
Nice photo Chris. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
I always wanted to post just a frame photo but did not have any available.
Thanks Phoenix I thought it was a really cool picture - found it on a website about building models.....
I guess nobody wants to take a guess - I figured this one was purely about guessing....
Here are some hints:
One could say this was the ultimate roadster in a final sort of sense anyway....
The track is Indy.
The big fat tires that might have even been Goodyears ought to help with the year
Oh, and the car won the race....
Already showed a picture of the car from 1963, the year that photo was taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...postcount=1796
Must be on ignore.
Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
You are not on my ignore list. It's just that it was Chris R's turn and I commented on his photo. I enjoyed your info but other members have listed photo's according to the way this tread is played. It is Name Car, Driver, Year and Track once that is correct it is your turn. Thanks. :)
Sorry Waldo, I did not realize that was an answer to my post - thought it was just clarification on the chassis manufacturers...Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
At any rate - you are pretty close with the 1963 picture but wrong year for sure right driver - I guess the jury would be out on the car... For what it is worth - those tires are Goodyears - I looked at some of the other photos in the series to confirm that....
Foyt and Goodyear had a tire test in August of 1963 at IMS. The famous sneeking Firestone Tires to the fence so that Polariods could be taken then Goodyear would bring a tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
In 1964 Goodyear came to the Speedway but the only car Foyt drove that had Goodyear tires on it was the Huffaker/RE Offy. (Got a picture someplace). The Roadster never had them on as Goodyear would not have tires for the Roadster ready until the second weekend and Foyt went with Firestones.
The Huffaker was a MG Liquid Suspension Car and was entered as #54 and once returned, Bob Vieth qualified it on day 3 with Goodyears.
Foyt did run 200+ at San Angelo, TX with Goodyears tires on the Trevis Roadster in one of its last efforts.
Also remember in 1963 there was a fight between cars running with tall tires ans shorter tires. Firestone did not make them available universally, until near qualifying. Real dung storm.
ok, here's another photo of the same car - the car is identified as Foyt's 1964 winner at Indy. You can clearly see the car has Goodyear tires on it in the photos - can't say they were one the track on the car or not on the track...
Waldo, you're up!! :)
As I said there was a Goodyear Tire test in August of 1963. Now Foyt had two cars in 1963. The Trevis and a 1963 Watson that he tried to sell but when Ebb Rose got bumped in Herb Porter's laydown, they pulled the Watson out and Ebb stuck it in and went 500 miles in the car. It was numbered 32.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Now I never knew for sure what car Foyt ran at Indy in that Goodyear test in August. One would assume it was the car that he had driven since Indy of 1961, the 1961 Trevis. In today's world you would test in the spare car, the 1963 Watson.
Interesting that Foyt won the 500 on Firestone Tires in 1964 but wore a Goodyear driving suit. Firestone gave him a check for $5,000 for the win, he returned it. Later he won the Firecracker 400 in a Dodge wearing Goodyear tires but he wore a Firestone driving suit.
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=13194
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=12765
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=56546
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=13649
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...rchType=driver
so you think these pictures were taken at the 1963 tire test???
Yes. I got a rare picture I am sending to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Got it
http://www.indy500.com/photo/gallery...photo_id=13719
After being returned.
How about this beauty. Tell me something about its history. This photo is from 1970 but it was in the 500 actually years prior.
First race Indy 1965 team Dean Racing driver Mario Andretti finishing 3rd scoring one win and three poles that year. In 1966 the car scored nine poles and entered victory lane seven times. It was then sold to Jack Adams and driven by Jim McElreath, Wally Dallenbach and Rick Muther lat race run 1971 Indy 500. Engine originally a Ford DOHC then Adams used a Ford DOHC and Offy's 168TC and 159TC.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
If you were a girl, I would say "Marry Me"!! Damn good!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
The history of this car. Also it did something to make the 500 field that year that was extremely rare. I was there on day 3 when it occurred.
Waldo you made my day with that one. Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
It's amazing the history on this car and they just restored it if I am not mistaken.
Also for those who wanted to know the photo I had put up before was of Billy Foster in a Vollstedt-Offy at PIR 1965.
New photo coming up.
Drivers, Cars, Year, & Track. Just look at those crowds watching this race. :eek:
http://shutter12.pictures.aol.com/da...U7QNU30258.jpg
Awesome photo Phoenix!
The leading car is a Dusenberg driver Peter DePaolo
The following car is a Miller
Since it is a dirt track I am going to guess it is Syracuse probably 1924 (the race in which Jimmy Murphy died)
If I am right about the track and year the following car is most likely Tommy Milton - but the number on the hood necessarily doesn't look like "5" so I might be wrong....
Right Driver for the 12 car. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Right on both cars. :up:
Still looking for the year and track.
I still can't believe the crowds back then. Their everywhere in the ditch on the roofs and standing deep along the fence. Everyone was brave back then to come to the races both drivers and spectators.
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Originally Posted by Phoenixent
De Paulo leading the Great Tommy Milton, early in the 1924 Syracuse 150 miler that later, Tommy's "friend" and rival Jimmy Murphy would go through the third turn fence driving a piece of wood through his heart.
Crowds in the 1920's were better than anytime in the history of Open Wheel. By the time the 1962 edition of this race came around the crowd was under 5,000. More things to do, less time to do it in.
FORD not OFFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
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:laugh: Your right I should have looked a my photo again. Thanks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Right Driver for the 12 car.
Right on both cars.
Still looking for the year and track.
I looked at the photo again and noticed they railroad rail strapped to those wood post for the infield guard rail. :eek:
I d/l the photo and blew it up. I am looking very close to the surface. Peter drove #12 in 1924 and 1925. Syracuse, the NEW YORK STATE FAIRGOUNDS ran the only dirt race in 1924 and because of the death of Murphy, the 1925 season was all boards. This has a Horse Track appearence. Now there was a Laurel, MD Board track that may have been built over the Horse track, 1.25. Since there appears to be "a track" on the inside and the railing was a temp. Could that be it?
So if Syracuse in 1924, then Earl Cooper. If Laurel in 1925 then Peter (looks like the 500 winning car) and Harry Hartz.
With that much pillar work it was a regular fixture and not a temp track.
Here a hint.
It was a non-points race and only one race was held with this track configuration but the track ran more events after.
hmmm, I am kind of stumped - I tried Brooklands but to no avail.... :D ... If it is DePaolo in the #12 it must be 1924 or 1925. If it is not 1924 (from my last guess), it must be 1925 - but the only dirt in 1925 even in non-championship races I can find record of was Syracuse - but apparently DePaolo was not there... I tried to see if any of the board tracks might have been out of service and a dirt track substituted - but can find not reference....
are we even warm???
oh and yeah - railroad track for fencing - not exactly "SAFER" walls huh??
You are Correct on the Year. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
It not Syracuse but it is up in that part of the country.
Think in reverse of what you said. You are close. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
oh , ok, it must be the July race at Rockingham in New Hampshire. As Waldo said - the second car must be Harry Hartz... By the official Fall race it was a Board track.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockingham_Park
good one!!
You are correct on the track. :up: It's Your Turn. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
I like this photo it shows how we have come a long way on safety but have gone the other direction with crowds.
here's the latest - a little challenging perhaps since the number is not visible.....
Eddie Sachs
Kuzma-Offy
Indy
1959
You got it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexamateo
your turn!
The usual please.
Gotta love that one -
1972 Antares Manta- Offy
Driver - Roger McCluskey
Apparently the car was designed to provide "jet assist" as air running through the radiators expanded out the back of the car.... It didn't work....
here another picture of another Antares (not sure of year)