It surely can't be true??? What a shambles if it is though....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
They've had years preparing for a WRC return, so they've only got themselves to blame if they've f*cked this.
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It surely can't be true??? What a shambles if it is though....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
They've had years preparing for a WRC return, so they've only got themselves to blame if they've f*cked this.
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I work with Japanese in Indonesia as well. It's only a 6 hour flight for them and the timezone is nice and handy. None of that is a reason to base a motorsport team here. Using your logic it should be in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Relationships, yes but only until your make them look bad. The relationship doesn't work well after that and they take no prisoners there.
Chances are Central European hardcore rallying fans have failed to spy the tarmac tests or they have not tested on tarmac. I'm afraid I have to believe the latter more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
As said they have 4 test cars. Do you believe that 1 of them is just lying in garage ? (one car was in Paris motor show, 2 in gravel test)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
They have driven tarmac test in "Skoda country" with fast Estonian driver and I am really surprised that no photos are out. It was almost same when Skoda was testing S2000, no big publicity.
Jus count the numbers shown:
Total tests 12000
Juho 6000
Tommi 3000
Kalle 2 days and Mikko 1 day (+Nikara some km)
Who and were have driven almost 3000km ???
Fast Estonian driver on tarmac? Tänak is chained to M-Sport. That pretty much leaves Kruuda of the current drivers and from the former there's Märtin and Aava. And of those two Märtin should be significantly better than Aava. Other drivers really don't have enough tarmac experience or just aren't fast enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Did it really happen? I know there were some plans about that but that's all I know. Anyway there are areas here where You can test without public so maybe they were here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
MM Motorsport is hinted to be very much involved/in relationship with TMR (Gazoo), so my wild guess would be Märtin. And he is basically only competent tarmac driver in Estonia after Tänak.
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I don't think it's even hinted when they are running the Toyota Junior guys in R5 Fiestas. It's there for all to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Pic or did not happen :-) Why on Earth they would want to keep it secret they have tested on tarmac? This approach is working against them. I was counting the kilometres too. Nikara did a few days too, Mikko one day (?). Something is missing, but it's still weird if chosen way is secrecy.
Remember how long it took for some news to surface in English? And then in one of the first major interviews in English Tommi already started complaining about all the rumours floating around. Still when I look in this thread almost all the news and newspaper articles which contain first-hand information scome from Finnish media, presumably Tommi's mediafriends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
As an armchair-internet-psychologist it seems to me Tommi has control issues. He keeps everything as close to him as possible: the development of the car, the testing, the pr, even the location of his workshop. It appears to me he is hands on involved in every single aspect of the team. People who are like that have a tendency to keep everything as secret as possible so they can control when, where and how to release information.
Developing, testing is not public affair. Has never been. PR is just another thing. Don´t seldomly compare to each othert.
How easy isn´t it to have lorry with trailer without sticks, given no one ever noticed?
and TGR Estonian garage is same place that MM-Motorsport is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
LoooooL
Wow. That is nice! Now we need video footage
It's testing in Catalunya...
https://twitter.com/RubenOteroDo/sta...936715776?s=09
The car is just small. Aero is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Wonder who the driver was? The silver reflective tints indicate to me that there is someone to hide.
Mäkinen. I think they're rather trying to hide the rollcage design than the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
Just found this on twitter :D :D
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvjFpdLUEAE1qkr.jpg
reflective tints are there because of the sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
Talking of DTM... spoke to some guys from Toyota and that was the refrence that they made talking about aero, they said that their car generates more downforce than a DTM car..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
Did you ask them when they plan to flop the whole joke ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalm
no, but i was very temptedQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Enough the chaotic jumps in Finland. The thing will be glued to the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalm
what more did you find out?
Even in tarmac spec it looks like a fart
Looks like a 'Max Power' special........
It's the smallness of the base car that's the problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Like back in the 80's with the Metro 6R4, it was never going to look great full of scoops and wings when based on that tiny shopping car.
The funny thing is that Yaris is a lot bigger than MG Metro. Metro is reasonably smaller than today's smallest cars like Ford Ka.
I guess it can't perform as bad as it looksQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's the basic Yaris styling as well... its about as unlike a rally car as you can get... like the basic Metro was. Thus making its aero additions look all the more ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Of course it can, haven't You ever tried jet engine on Your skateboard?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Why would they generate more downforce than a DTM car? It is so counter-productive to have WRC with such huge downforce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalm
And You base Your statement on what? You know that traction (both in acceleration and deceleration) is a function of downforce and that the adhesion of gravel is way lower than of circuit tarmac?Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
One person likes it !
Colin Clark @voiceofrally
The Yaris WRC no longer looks like a run around with a picnic table strapped to the back, its now a bloody monster! https://t.co/yXPRiU077w
Downforce is fine, but do you know how huge the downforce is in DTM? I know it. Even without knowing those facts all of us have watched the video, You know the effect of Yaris aerokit (understeering, low top speeds etc.) . You saw it. You are a wise man, Mirek, so why do You have such need to argue with us every single time?
Because You write nonsense. Downforce can not make a car to understeer because downforce has no inertia... Of course unless we speak about downforce only at the back which would lift the front end but that's quite obviously not the case. Otherwise bigger downforce at front end always reduces understeering. Always.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
Another nonsense is what You wrote about top speed. How do You know what is the top speed of Yaris and that it can't be reached due to aero drag? I am pretty sure You don't know.