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13th February 2010, 17:26
John V

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I think PG is cruising today, but also Mikkelsen has upped his pace throughout the rally. Any news on whether he will do sWRC as well as IRC? He seems to be 'best of the rest' here quite clearly.

I will ask the team after rally, ok?
13th February 2010, 17:27
Mauri A

So, Hirvonen will lose some 2 or 3 secs on sprint stage, there is less than 20 secs difference for tomorrow, the battle is not over yet.
13th February 2010, 17:34
Sulland

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Originally Posted by Perra71

I fondly remembers the first time I attended the Swedish rally.
If I remember correctly it had around 30 stages & no repeats :)

And that is how it should be for all rallies on snow and gravel IMO !
A bit more logistics but easily doable !
13th February 2010, 17:35
Iskald

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I think PG is cruising today, but also Mikkelsen has upped his pace throughout the rally. Any news on whether he will do sWRC as well as IRC? He seems to be 'best of the rest' here quite clearly.

PG is maybe a little to early in cruising mode? Time to wake up again, unless he wants Andreas even closer. But that time from Andreas Mikkelsen on SS15 is so good that PG would have had problems with it anyway.
I start to wonder if it was a wrong choice from Andreas`management to choose IRC. At the moment I don`t think they have any possibilities to do both. Anyway I believe the IRC-guys should note this. Andreas is actually very good on tarmac too, so... ;)

It starts hotting up for Patrick Sandell, too. Eivind Brynildsen had a very good run on SS15 and took 15 secs. from him. Quite a distance to go tomorrow also.
13th February 2010, 17:37
Iskald

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Could Mikkelsen catch PG? Andersson has admitted he's cruising and he may not care if Mikkelsen beats him as he isn't in the SWRC in Sweden. There is still 100km tomorrow plus a SSS tonight so who knows.

He cares if he is beat by Andreas, you bet!
13th February 2010, 17:37
blissard

Hirvonen +6.4... that's a lot
13th February 2010, 17:41
eloyf1

It seems that Sordo has also suffered mechanical issues. Mechanics forgot to retire some kind of engine protections, in order to keep the engine hot outside stages, but on stage, the temperature went higher and higher, so he had to stop... Has anyone heard that?
13th February 2010, 17:48
Tomi

The thing that Tuohino manages to be so close in front with the S2000 tells it's going to be a very interesting SWRC, this year.
13th February 2010, 17:50
dimviii

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Originally Posted by blissard

Hirvonen +6.4... that's a lot

you have to try to loose 6.4 sec at 2 km. :D
13th February 2010, 17:50
Simmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi

The thing that Tuohino manages to be so close in front with the S2000 tells it's going to be a very interesting SWRC, this year.

Yeah I did not expect him to be on the pace like this. Hopefully he can translate this to a full gravel event.
13th February 2010, 17:52
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

Yeah I did not expect him to be on the pace like this. Hopefully he can translate this to a full gravel event.

there will be other much, much faster to come too.
13th February 2010, 17:53
blissard

Henning 10 sec behind Loeb on 1.87 km, how is that even possible?

And Grönholm +11.3..
13th February 2010, 18:05
pettersolberg29

PG 3rd on stage!

edit: now 4th. Tuohino 2nd!
13th February 2010, 18:08
Iskald

Quote:

Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

PG 3rd on stage!

And Andreas Mikkelsen 0,1 behind him. These two certainly knows what its all about at the moment!

edit: and Tuohino knows what its about too! This turns out to be a great battle.
13th February 2010, 18:09
blissard

Begin to wonder if someone has found a shortcut, results are rather strange.

Edit: Now Prokop is 1st! 15 secs ahead of Grönholm. 3.6 on Loeb, 10 on Mikko..., what's going on?
13th February 2010, 18:09
Hipo1990

Prokop 1st! oÓ
13th February 2010, 18:10
Langdale Forest

Tanak is on fire!
13th February 2010, 18:11
pettersolberg29

Maybe the ice is wearing away so its not as slippery? Prokop crushes Loeb!

edit: And now Sousa beats Loeb...?
13th February 2010, 18:12
Langdale Forest

Not literaly, I hope! ;)
13th February 2010, 18:13
noel157

Did PG make a mistake on SS15, something about going back and losing time, he's certainly unhappy. Google translate makes no sense:

Det var en mäkta irriterad P-G Andersson som kom till målet andra gången på Fredriksbergssträckan, SS15.

– Det gick bra ända fram till slutet här innan målet. Jag vete fan vad jag gjorde, jag körde fel vid en skylt och fick lov att backa och då tappade jag tid
13th February 2010, 18:13
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iskald

PG is maybe a little to early in cruising mode? Time to wake up again, unless he wants Andreas even closer. But that time from Andreas Mikkelsen on SS15 is so good that PG would have had problems with it anyway.
I start to wonder if it was a wrong choice from Andreas`management to choose IRC. At the moment I don`t think they have any possibilities to do both. Anyway I believe the IRC-guys should note this. Andreas is actually very good on tarmac too, so... ;)

Well either it is PGA taking it a bit easy or some small problems because the others (apart from Andreas) haven't really sped up that much in terms of gaps to the WRC boys.

Why do you think it was a mistake by Andreas' management to chose IRC, do you think it would be easier for him to win in sWRC?

Andreas did some tarmac events in Spain last year (+Bohemia & Barum) and was indeed quite fast, apart from Barum where he drove the Corsa.

I hope PG and Mikkelsen can find budget for sWRC too. It is a bit of a shame that the two fastest guys in the class are not yet down to do the full season.

Tuohino is as expected, reasonable pace on Sweden, not so sure that will translate to the other rounds if some faster guys start to join the championship though.
13th February 2010, 18:14
Iskald

Quote:

Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Maybe the ice is wearing away so its not as slippery? Prokop crushes Loeb!

edit: And now Sousa beats Loeb...?

There is an explanation for this, of course. But funny anyhow.
13th February 2010, 18:15
Simmi

Wondering whether to believe these times. Will certainly be significant if they are correct.
13th February 2010, 18:15
Langdale Forest

If Prokop wins this stage, would this be the first time a S2000 car wins a stage in the WRC?
13th February 2010, 18:16
noel157

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

If Prokop wins this stage, would this be the first time a S2000 car wins a stage in the WRC?

They haven't had much chance before.....
13th February 2010, 18:17
N.O.T

lets not forget also that with the new system the 1st to second palce have a big difference but the 1st from no place has a HUGE difference....
13th February 2010, 18:17
rp

1st & 2nd for the Fiesta S2000! Not so bad in the WRC debut...
13th February 2010, 18:22
Francis44

Maybe the superspecial is so twisty that the powerfull WRC machines spend their time trying to fight to get the power on the ground but therefore the S2000 machines do it silky and smooth.
13th February 2010, 18:23
White Sauron

Just noticed a funny thing.... I now see 8 Manufacturer crews in the general classification (Hirvonen, Loeb, Latvala, Sordo, Ogier, Solberg, Gronholm, Raikkonen). Does it mean that now ALL manufacturers crews will always get team points no matter how low they finish??? And moreover, now we have two "useless" points, because there's not enough crews to take them for a team's account!!
13th February 2010, 18:23
Iskald

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

Well either it is PGA taking it a bit easy or some small problems because the others (apart from Andreas) haven't really sped up that much in terms of gaps to the WRC boys.

Why do you think it was a mistake by Andreas' management to chose IRC, do you think it would be easier for him to win in sWRC?

Andreas did some tarmac events in Spain last year (+Bohemia & Barum) and was indeed quite fast, apart from Barum where he drove the Corsa.

I hope PG and Mikkelsen can find budget for sWRC too. It is a bit of a shame that the two fastest guys in the class are not yet down to do the full season.

Tuohino is as expected, reasonable pace on Sweden, not so sure that will translate to the other rounds if some faster guys start to join the championship though.

I didn`t say "mistake". I wrote "wrong choice" - and thats a difference.
I still think WRC is the right place to be. IRC is quite OK, but its a sideshow IMO. Andreas wants to be world champion, and it would maybe be better for him to stay closer to the factory teams - and winning when the team bosses are watching.

PG drove wrong at a sign (don`t know how he managed that...) at the end of SS15 and had to back up. He was mighty irritated with himself.
13th February 2010, 18:23
awake27

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Originally Posted by blissard

Begin to wonder if someone has found a shortcut, results are rather strange.

Edit: Now Prokop is 1st! 15 secs ahead of Grönholm.

The times are slower than the first pass, no chance for any shortcuts :)

Mikko seems to have a quite safe margin to Seb. Difficult to lose with pure speed. Only if Sunday's repeated stages will be bad as today's ones so the tyre strategy will become a factor again. Even so Loeb needs to win all 5 stages, make the right tyre choice and hoping Mikko will make the wrong choice.
13th February 2010, 18:26
Langdale Forest

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Sauron

Just noticed a funny thing.... I now see 8 Manufacturer crews in the general classification (Hirvonen, Loeb, Latvala, Sordo, Ogier, Solberg, Gronholm, Raikkonen). Does it mean that now ALL manufacturers crews will always get team points no matter how low they finish??? And moreover, now we have two "useless" points, because there's not enough crews to take them for a team's account!!

Confusing!

Does that mean S2000/privateer WRC/Group N/S 1600 cars can still score overall points?
13th February 2010, 18:27
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iskald

Andreas wants to be world champion, and it would maybe be better for him to stay closer to the factory teams - and winning when the team bosses are watching.

exactly, and also useless to drive stages never to be used in WRC.
13th February 2010, 18:30
rp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

Confusing!

Does that mean S2000/privateer WRC/Group N/S 1600 cars can still score overall points?

Yes. Same as earlier. P-G is now 10th in the overall results, so he would took one point.
13th February 2010, 18:35
Langdale Forest

This might be an unusual question, but if you walked down a stage the day after the rally, would you find lots of metal tyre studs?
13th February 2010, 18:38
jbmarcus21

new VIDEO Day 1 : http://bit.ly/9NxQiB
13th February 2010, 18:50
Ibbe[swe]

nice vid Marcus :)

got some pic redy for show... :bandit:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3149/k204168.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4038/k204059.jpg
13th February 2010, 18:51
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi

exactly, and also useless to drive stages never to be used in WRC.

I think he already has this under control. Malcolm has offered him a deal for the future, and by that I mean in WRC as top dog in the top team. The IRC car is run by M-Sport and Malcolm is getting data from potential future WRC venues as well !

This are just my thoughts, not more than that !
Time will tell !
13th February 2010, 18:54
Woodeye

What do you think of Kimi's performance so far? I counted that he has won Petter ew times, Matt at least one and he was really close on Ogier on one stage also. I don't think it's too bad, eh?
13th February 2010, 18:56
Mauri A

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodeye

What do you think of Kimi's performance so far? I counted that he has won Petter ew times, Matt at least one and he was really close on Ogier on one stage also. I don't think it's too bad, eh?

Bad, but not too bad!

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