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I'm hearing that a conserted effort is being made to try to project the issue of CC's demise. That the scenario is that contracts are on the line and merger is being forced unless another series can convince others that CC will fail.
This has a long way to go as its being fought on the internet with no real proof, just rumor mongering by so-called insiders. Just like every year, when these predictions come out, wrong again.
sorry.
Nope ,its not CART. It doesn't have LB, Toronto, Cleveland, RA, LS,Surfers, Mexico City, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by djparky
their schedule is uninspired.
Sanguin, happy one month anniversary of your first post here - I have enjoyed all 312! So, I am sure you are listening to same people who said Honda would leave the IRL in 2005, then in 2006, then in 2007, then in 2008. I am also pretty sure that the dark forces that you imply are involved in spreading these supposedly unfounded rumors of Champ Car's impending implosion had nothing to do with all the countless screw-ups, setbacks, disasters and cancellations in the series during the past year. Most sane people can now see for themselves that things are not getting better. Instead they are getting much worse and those who deny this reality are looking more bizarre and delusional by the day. As for rumors, okay, some of what I posted here are just rumors for now... but not for long. Does all this bad news make me happy? No, it confirms my fear that Champ Car is not viable without the significant and perpetual financial support of the OWRS owners. Given what I have seen this year, I just can't see that happening forever. In the meantime, A1GP, GP2, ALMS, IRL, Grand-Am, etc. will move ahead professionally while our once proud series continues to stumble and fall like a drunken has-been in the back alleys of motorsports irrelevance. That just makes me sick. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
As much as some of us hate the following, the Indy Car Series does have Indy, St. Pete, Milwaukee, Watkins Glen, Mid-Ohio, Belle Isle, a rights fee from ABC/ESPN, Penske, Target/Ganassi, Rahal/Letterman, Andretti/Green, Honda, Firestone, numerous sponsors, a ratings pulse and 15 US races.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
Their schedule may be uninspired but ito many it now looks more like the CART of the early 1990s than ChampCar does now. At least the IRL has a schedule and they stick to it. Call that uninspired if you will, but I prefer that to the supposedly inspired schedule making that has been going on in Champ Car since the Amigos took over. How many venues has the Champ Car abandoned in the past four seasons and how many races have failed to come off once announced? It looks like next season promises more of the same chaos. To me, that is bad news.
IMO honda will there in 2008, after that, nascar?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaimWitz
What makes you think they were there, this year? Let's face facts. Has anyone ever heard of Medi Zone? Do they sound like a company that could free up enough capital to sponsor a top running CC operation, for a whole season. Medi Zone was something to put on the side of the car, after the "technology based" sponsor (rumored to have been Google) fell through. If you think it was any more money than enough to run Las Vegas & Long Beach, you're wearing the same rose colored glasses as sanguin. And no, sanguin, I don't have a link. As they say, this is my own opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaimWitz
Jeff
We will see about Honda but from what I am hearing, Sanguin won't like the answer for 2009 and beyond. If no announcement is forthcoming either way, at least he/she and the other blind faithful will still be able to speculate that Honda will be gone to NASCAR or elsewhere at some undefined point in the near or distant future, by which time (if or when) losing Honda probably won't still represent the shimmering ($2000-bottle-of-wine-induced) mirage of salvation it once did to the OWRS owners. Champ Car will likely be in even worse shape by then (if it still exists) than it is now. Hanging on to the hope of the IRL's collapse seems to be what got us all to this point so I no longer put any faith in that line of thinking. More importanly, and back on topic, the trend for Champ Car is not encouraging and it is plain for all to see, but only if they chose truth over fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
Well, thats your opinion, Indy holds more tradition than all of thoses races combined. In any case, for all of the IRL's "lack of inspiration" in their schedule, at least they don't cancel races at breakneck speed like some open wheel series do these days. Do you need a link????Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
No it's not CART (sadly) however- San Jose, Vegas, Houston are pretty dismal to meQuote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
add LB, RA, Cleveland, Surfers and Toronto to the IRL and lop off a couple of ovals and you have a great calendar
anyway it's probably ony a matter of time before the egos running CCWS have had enough the aggravation that they get and pull the plug on it, hopefully that day will be sooner rather than later (before I get ripped apart I was a CART loyalist in the 1996-2002 era)
Vegas dismal? Obviously, you were NOT there. I hope and pray, GB at RA is smart enough to never let the .irl spoil RA.