Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by Hendersen

Looks like Mclaren is going to tighten their own noose. They are saying no one else was told about the documents at Mclaren, even though Coughlen already has a sword statement saying that he did. They also have the problem about asking about rules clarifications for some things that seemed to be related to Ferrari design specs.

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Really? I though McLaren went to Charlie to ask if they can run a system on their car that would pass the FIA load test, but could still give an aero benefit at higher speed.

At no point did McLaren say they were unhappy with Ferrari's solution.

There is a different way to reach the same objective........

it's a great conspiracy theory, isnt it?

Nigel thinks of defecting and Ferrari want to discredit him because of what he knows and the bodies he's helped bury.

soooooo, they sign up a "supposed" mate of his, Mike, to stitch him up. Mike and Nigel make some moves to talk with Honda and Mike sends Nigel plans for the McLaren but Nigel refuses to send the Ferrari plans because he's worried about getting caught. So, Ferrari gets the complete plans to Mike who tries to implicate others in McLaren to no effect.

Ferrari think they have enough now so pull the plug when they know Nigel is away and start the media circus. Mike provides an afadavit implicating Nigel and McLaren and McLarens title chances are derailed. after a couple of years working in a periferal Ferrari role at Red Bull, Mike comes in as Tech Director of Ferrari.

result is that McLaren lose the championships, sponsors and reputation. Ron is forced to resign and Ferrari have all of McLarens pland for next years car with no suspicion whatsoever.

game, set and match.

OK, its pretty far fetched but if it was obvious, then others would have tried it. an Agent Provocater is nothing new.

I will stress that this is just a bit of fun but I only submitted it to illustrate that there are always many options and possibilities with these cases and its very rarely black and white.

Result,

We seem to be going round in circles. Blessed are they who run around in circles, for they shall become Big Wheels.

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

it's a great conspiracy theory, isnt it?

Nigel thinks of defecting and Ferrari want to discredit him because of what he knows and the bodies he's helped bury.

soooooo, they sign up a "supposed" mate of his, Mike, to stitch him up. Mike and Nigel make some moves to talk with Honda and Mike sends Nigel plans for the McLaren but Nigel refuses to send the Ferrari plans because he's worried about getting caught. So, Ferrari gets the complete plans to Mike who tries to implicate others in McLaren to no effect.

Ferrari think they have enough now so pull the plug when they know Nigel is away and start the media circus. Mike provides an afadavit implicating Nigel and McLaren and McLarens title chances are derailed. after a couple of years working in a periferal Ferrari role at Red Bull, Mike comes in as Tech Director of Ferrari.

result is that McLaren lose the championships, sponsors and reputation. Ron is forced to resign and Ferrari have all of McLarens pland for next years car with no suspicion whatsoever.

game, set and match.

OK, its pretty far fetched but if it was obvious, then others would have tried it. an Agent Provocater is nothing new.

I will stress that this is just a bit of fun but I only submitted it to illustrate that there are always many options and possibilities with these cases and its very rarely black and white.

Result,

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You forgot the very important part that Elvis played in all this.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

You forgot the very important part that Elvis played in all this.

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elvis was the mastermind that came up with the plan. ;)

http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=261554&FS=F1

Pretty catagoric to the people writing off McLaren as a bunch of cheats. It looks like they will defend their reputation and their reputation stands on this statement.

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Woking, United Kingdom, 16th July 2007: McLaren is concerned that erroneous speculation has arisen from inaccurate and misleading reference to the contents of confidential legal papers filed at court in response to Ferrari's UK action to recover its intellectual property. This is unfortunate and is prejudicial to a fair interpretation of these matters.
McLaren can confirm from its own investigation that no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari. The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007.
Furthermore, McLaren has categorically established that no Ferrari information has at any stage been used to develop its car.
McLaren looks forward to having the opportunity to present the complete and accurate picture of events in the appropriate forum, that is before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 26th July 2007.
-credit: mclaren

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if this is accurate, then all the doomsayers had better get some throut lozengers in because they are going to choke on this and it'll really stick in their craw :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=261554&FS=F1

Pretty catagoric to the people writing off McLaren as a bunch of cheats. It looks like they will defend their reputation and their reputation stands on this statement.



if this is accurate, then all the doomsayers had better get some throut lozengers in because they are going to choke on this and it'll really stick in their craw :laugh:

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The doomsayers in this forum will suddenly develop rapid loss of memory, and forget what they have posted here, mark my words.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

There is one hole in your plot : if McLaren were to have used the plans, then sure as hell Trudy wouldn't have gone tyo have them copied at the local - they would have copied them at McLaren, wouldn't they?

We can if and surmise all we want, but all the suggestions/hypotheses so far are no more plausible than my Elvis theory.

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yes!!!!!!!!....what the hell was SHE doing trying to copy these plans/data????......and apparently in a photocopying high street shop????!!!!!! it says these documents/data are stored on 2 computer discs!!!1......then what was she trying to photocopy in a public place rather than in private on a pc???????, away from any prying eyes of some nobody working for 3 quid an hour at the local printers!!!....coughlan must have asked her to do him a favour while she was out getting the cat food and paying the gas bill!!!!!!!......what a bunch of idiots gettin caught with such dangerous information!!!!!......if McLaren do get expelled from this years championship, i wonder if they will the sue coughlan for loss of earnings/sponsorship et al.....i hear the faint sound of slopping out and keys rattling along the landings again!!!!! :( ..........now , where has Elvis gone to?????

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Originally Posted by andreag

So we're not in Kansas anymore?

Didn't you realize the emoticon at the end of my phrase asking for a link?

I realize of yours at the end of your phrase about being in the toilet for so long, and then I didn't took it literally.

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Woah andreag, just poking fun at you. Dont take things so seriously ;) And yes, I understand your post.

As for a link, there are many to be found. Think Senna vs Prost, Benneton in the 90's, Schumacher, Williams and Toyota with their brakes etc etc are just a few involved with "cheating". Everyone does it ;)

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Well, one of five chief engineers actually...and the one not in charge of anything ;)

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EXCEPT A COMPLETE DOSSIER ON HOW TO MANUFACTURE AND TEST A 2007 F1 FERARRI MOTOR CAR!!!!!!.......if this all goes wrong then it looks like he might have been in charge of McLarens WHOLE season!!!!!!!!