Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

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Originally Posted by airshifter

This is where you are quite obviously wrong. If you had read a lot of forums posters opinions rather than keep repeating your own as the absolute opinion, you might have realized this.

This accusation is no more far fetched than incidents that have happened in recent F1 history, and less wild than those that started with a copier worker within a store.

It is in the best interest of F1 to investigate accusations of race fixing and have the accused defend the accusations against them. It is not in the interest of F1 to sweep it under the carpet in hopes that the public and other teams will forget that an accusation never took place.

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What is F1 if this sort of activity goes on.

It is the clearest form of cheating you can have and if people are happy to allow cheating just so we don't have to punish the wrongdoers then it's the end of F1.

All sports have cheating and that's why the governing body is there to regulate the rules. If they don't then what's the point.

I'm critical of Max and the FIA but on this occassion, they are acting which is right and fair. I'm not too happy in the manner they are attacking this issue but at least they are doing something.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I'm no fan of Briatore, but it is not the FIA's role to target individuals that the President doesn't like.

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I agree with you to a degree Arrows and think this is one of Max's vendettas.

However, in this instance, the means might justify the ends.

If this dictate came from Flav, and Pat takes the fall for it as looked likely, then the person responsible gets away scott free.

That would be far more damaging IMHO.

Interesting stuff ain't it? :D Makes the whole Spygate issue look quite trivial when you consider that Renault have been accused of being happy to let their driver smash into the wall. Heavy penalties need to be handed out for this, the problem being that Flav is such a key figure in F1 that both the FIA and Bernie might not be too happy to chuck him out. I wouldn't be surprised if off-track politics sort this issue rather than facts and testimony.

If that actually happened Henners then it would have been wise for Flav to either out him immediately or drop him in the off season. The only reason that would work in getting him an '09 drive would be if the team could be heavily linked with the crash.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

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What is F1 if this sort of activity goes on.

It is the clearest form of cheating you can have and if people are happy to allow cheating just so we don't have to punish the wrongdoers then it's the end of F1.

All sports have cheating and that's why the governing body is there to regulate the rules. If they don't then what's the point.

I'm critical of Max and the FIA but on this occassion, they are acting which is right and fair. I'm not too happy in the manner they are attacking this issue but at least they are doing something.

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Agreed. IF this is all true and it does seem as if it may be then Flav needs to be banned from ever turning up at an F1 circuit.

F1 needs to be seen to be squeaky clean after everything else that's happened.

The only thing new hear is the suggestion that Pat Symonds has been offered immunity from FIA prosecution. The rest has been clearly outlined by the link originally by the indomitable ioan, and repeated again in my post # 435. The point here is no matter what the WMSC finding is, Flav would be well advised never to fly anywhere near Singapore; not even in transit.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

If this dictate came from Flav, and Pat takes the fall for it as looked likely, then the person responsible gets away scott free.

That would be far more damaging IMHO.

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That assumes Briatore initiated this. Perhaps he did, who knows :crazy: Offering immunity to two of the other principal participants in the alleged "race-fix" suggests publicly that the FIA think he did, and yet the WMSC hasn't met yet. That, IMHO, is the wrong way to go about things regardless of who is (or isn't!) involved.

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Originally Posted by henners88

:up: Yep..

Heres a theory:
Piquet after consulting with his father about his future comes up with a bargaining tool and approaches Briatore and Symonds before the race. He says "I am willing to crash on lap 14 bla, bla bla for the good of the team".... FB and PS both say "don't be ridiculous this is too risky and we do not want any part of it"..
Race day comes and Piquet does exactly what he proposed much to the disgust of FB and PS (hence the abuse and anger on the radio transcript)
FB :“F***ing hell . . . my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver.”
Piquet gets a boll**king and him and his father save this experience for a rainy day... 10 months of planning and thinking pass with his career in doubt, and bang perfect... The FIA are approached..

I'm not a fan of Briatore but this kind of scenario does sound plausable to me, especially if Piquet Snr is involved... I guess we'll find out very soon.. :)

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Oh Please !! :rolleyes: kut the krap!! Do you really think Jr has the brains to think all that out? Common!! smell the roses and avoid the bovine manure!!

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Originally Posted by henners88

:up: Yep..

Heres a theory:
Piquet after consulting with his father about his future comes up with a bargaining tool and approaches Briatore and Symonds before the race. He says "I am willing to crash on lap 14 bla, bla bla for the good of the team".... FB and PS both say "don't be ridiculous this is too risky and we do not want any part of it"..
Race day comes and Piquet does exactly what he proposed much to the disgust of FB and PS (hence the abuse and anger on the radio transcript)
FB :“F***ing hell . . . my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver.”
Piquet gets a boll**king and him and his father save this experience for a rainy day... 10 months of planning and thinking pass with his career in doubt, and bang perfect... The FIA are approached..

I'm not a fan of Briatore but this kind of scenario does sound plausable to me, especially if Piquet Snr is involved... I guess we'll find out very soon.. :)

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Except your theory doesnt go well with the fact that Renault signed Piquet to another contract for 2009 soon afterwards.

Good-bye Flavio

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

That assumes Briatore initiated this. Perhaps he did, who knows :crazy: Offering immunity to two of the other principal participants in the alleged "race-fix" suggests publicly that the FIA think he did, and yet the WMSC hasn't met yet. That, IMHO, is the wrong way to go about things regardless of who is (or isn't!) involved.

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I agree with you that offering Pat immunity sends out a message that there is bigger fish to fry. We all know there is only 1 bigger fish that Pat implicated.

However, sometimes, you have to get dirty to catch a rat.