They tested last time with Reiger dampers?
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They tested last time with Reiger dampers?
So why has he gone to the worst car then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Maybe they promised him full factory backup on problems ;)
He is chasing 3 different car titles (maybe four) and 9 time record
Sorry totally off-topic, but with frustration from Citroen WRT financing situation, I just had to copy paste to here the current Motorsport.com top news:
"TAG stays with Red Bull despite losing engine name deal. TAG Heuer will remain a partner of Red Bull Racing despite the arrival of Honda meaning that the watch manufacturer can no longer brand the Formula 1 team's engine."
Like what?! Sometimes the financing and marketing side of the motorsports teams is hard to comprehend.
Oh yes, most definitely. Based on 2018 one must have nine titles to be able to win with the C3. So from that point of view: 1) the car is shit, 2) Ogier will struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Also 45 years old and been away from the sport some years.
I think at the time redbull and Renault's relationship was a little on the frosty side, with redbull threatening to move to honda engines if renualt didn't pull their finger out. With Lotus not long being rebranded as Renault works team I think it was decided, when redbull continued with Renault engines, to rebrand them as tag engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japé
He has said it many times this year. It will be his last contract(2 year contract with citroen) and no ambition to surpass Loebs 9 title recordQuote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Elena also said that's it for them, now hoping to do half a season
if he gets 8 i really doubt he will leave...Quote:
Originally Posted by able1
Would be interesting to know what the engine name deal investment and ROI are for TAG Heuer. For Citroen WRT similar case might be tougher to reach, but basically by using same logic and frosty relation situation e.g. M-Sport could have had 2018 engine name deal for Anonimo Watches and Anonimo would have payed e.g. Ogier's salary. Nevertheless what trying to say here is that if for some reason Citroen does not see their full WRT as an good investment to finance (and gain back to) themselves, they could at least try to make some effort to get partners on board. And clearly TAG Heuer deal shows that others see value on this and are able to do this kind of deals. It would be nice to know who are the people in WRC teams who are negotiating the partner and sponsor deals for teams and what are their track records in the past years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Don't quite know if there would be much interest in engine name rebranding outside F1 tbh, and TAG engine name goes back several decades when they used the name at McLaren for I think Porsche engine. Someone maybe able to correct me on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Japé
yes thats rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Calculating ROI for one single marketing investment is always a bit tricky. Usually you're targeting growth in brand awareness with such investment and there are numerous factors to the pay-off calculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japé
Funny feeling could see that abu dhabi sponsorship on toyota next year
They were going to take a break next year, back in 2020.
And I really don't believe that Abu Dhabi/Toyota partnership could work when there is Nasser in Toyota for cross country rallying (Qatar, Toyota SA)...
Maybe Abu Dhabi got fed up with Citroen's poor WRC results after 5 years and will wait to see if they are worth sponsoring again depending on their 2019 performance...
C'mon Seb is onboard. Even if he do a bad rally he takes maximum out of it. Except the car is really that shit that Ogier will struggle a lot with him but Meeke, Loeb, Breen, Ostberg, Lefebvre, Mikkelsen did a pretty solid results with that car, sometimes even exceptional. 2020 is far away and a lot can happen during that time. Novadays is nothing for granted. Even Safari rally isn't sure if it will be on calendar. You don't know what will happen until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I'm more inclined to think with Loeb possibly coming in for more rallies, and with maybe breen and Ostberg in the picture for that shared 3rd car on remaining rallies, the sheikh was probably offered far less seat time, so pulled the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Wouldn't be surprised if he rocked up in a fiesta next year.
I think he have 90 percent of say when and how much he was driving that third C3. Althought he is paying that entry...
I would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
50/50 for me. Al-Qassimi does what ever he wants.
Has no one heard anyhing about this?? Or did you know they tested with Reiger?Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
I saw picture with test car on Reiger.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
And was reading their main focus during gravel test with Ogier was on dampers.
Looking for more informations now.
Red Bull are following Ogier, so would be the main sponsor on his car, therefore not so much room for 'Abu Dhabi'.
I mean, they announced a year off and return in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Exactly, why I'm not convinced they'll be back with Citroen in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Maybe but was fair bit of bad press between meekes crashes and citroens dismissal of meeke. Could be trying to seperate themselves from bad publicity just a thought. Also meekes helmets always have quite a large abu dhabi sponosor so could be a personal sponsor to him
True, they could well be returning elsewhere in 2020. And this could also be the reason for the year off, they time to make plans. Maybe their only option for 2019 would have been M-Sport with currently no championship contender drivers available (remember they already announced earlier they would drop their Citroen support if they wouldn't be competing seriously for the championship in 2019).Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Who even remembers that stuff anymore after such an intense championship fight and an unpredictable silly season?Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
the press when at the start of the season its all talk of meeke returning with toyota after being dropped mid season by citroenQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Ogier on returm to Citroen, the C3 and Loeb...
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/auto-moto...u-sport-936260
He also says stuff like rallies should be shortened to two days but keep current 300 km of stages. Also mentions that electrification should be adopted soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
He is incredible, why bothered if he wants to end the career in two years. This shows exactly that he is player.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think shortening to two days with the same kilometres would be a positive thing, it would increase the endurance element and give more value for spectator per traveling day.
It was seemingly rumoured that Mads was asked for 3 to 4 million euros for (a presumably partial?) season in a third car. If that is the cost we're talking for that, is it not utterly incredible that that budget can't be found for Loeb to do a partial season? Loeb, PSA darling and legend, a long time Reb Bull athlete, a likely rally winner, competing in a Championship where Red Bull are the promoter, yet collectively they can't provide what is a relatively small increase in budget for such a cause? Just seems odd to me the more you think about it, given the amount both organisations must be investing in the WRC overall.
Separately I wonder whether Abu Dhabi walked away because Citroen asked them for more money than they'd previously been paying. Having sponsored Citroen throughout the 'dark years', maybe they felt a bit insulted to be squeezed for more once the team finally got itself in a better position going forward?
Basically Budar maybe over played his hand, thinking Abu Dhabi would pay more, Mads would pay for his drive and the Loeb drive would be sorted on the foundations of those things falling into place...?
that really is a sign of them quitting as soon as possible.