Occupy WRC!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem
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Occupy WRC!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem
Well we may not, but there both still contracted to prodrive. but my point is if prodrive finishes ahead of the so called full works cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Tänt vare här!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Cars of Araujo and Nobre are run by Ralliart Italy/Motorsport Italia.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
They also already started the hunt for new people to the team...
Prodrive supports the factory team long term´, with Nobre and Araujo. Nobre and Araujo are the new Sordo and Meeke...Quote:
Originally Posted by gtimad73
you are not going to find at press release anything about motorsport italiaQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Motosport Italia HAVE their customers to run minis at wrc for 2012.So the clowns (at both sides) because they don t have the balls to announce a press release with truth words,they thought that if they ''serve'' Motorsport Italia as a works team they are going to escape the ridicule.
Can anyone better-informed than I offer a sensible explanation as to what BMW hopes to achieve by this move? I am struggling, I must say.
to don t ridicule themselves,but i doubt they manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
About the only thing worse I can see is Rally Champignonskit in Amerika where guys who could not win a DM rally i GruppH are called "Rally Super Star Travken Blockstrana" andf "Rally- Gods'... seriously.....Where when I point to results from last year SVenska Rallyt where there were plies of guys in doing better stage times of Amerika's Rally God in the concurrent Swedish Championship event, including 3 guys in Grupp H cars---one in a VW and one in a rwd Volvo faster than the "works" Fiesta WRC car----I get yelled at and the geniuses explain "It was totally different conditions for the guys behind!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem
dags att återvända till röterna.
Back to the future before its all foutre!
(how is that for a multi-lingual post?')
Autosport writes that Motorsport Italia will run the two "factory" cars under the "WRC Team Mini Portugal" entry name. And I think Motorsport Italia is the same as Ralliart Italia.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Prodrive loses status as Mini's factory World Rally team - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
PS: I wonder if they can add the 26 manufacturer points scored in Monaco. The sad part is that Araújo and Nobre probably cannot even score 26 manu-points in the rest of the season :(
I have a feeling this is not the end of this story ... it's just too weird if MINI will settle for such a crap solution!
lolololololololololololololQuote:
Originally Posted by Miika
they are trying to ridiculed more!!
are they thinking they are talking to monkeys?
If my guess is as good as the next... Prodrive wanted a lot of money for running the wrc team, team Portugal a lot less..
Maybe Prodrive has a longer term deal with BMW on development of the car and they tried to put pressure on BMW?
Only problem for them, at least short term, is that team Portugal have drivers that are to slow...
Maybe not a sensible explanation but here goes.......Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Munich threw out the baby with the bath water. They don't want Prodrive representing them in the WRC. They have an undertaking to the FIA to enter 2 cars in the WRC but they sure as hell don't want Sordo or Meeke because they are employees of Prodrive. Easy option is to use Nobre and Araujo as their factory representatives. Sure, they both drive Prodrive built cars but Prodrive will not be directly associated with the 2 entries. Motorsport Italia will be the only preparation company connected to them. This leaves Prodrive to do as they please in an M2 capacity or even in a non-M capacity. Problem is they have no money to run two cars, maybe not even one unless they can still find renta drivers. Maybe Campana will still appear for 3 more events and others.
That leaves Prodrive on the same level as Kronos or other preparation companies. Just sub-contractors.
More importantly, what will happen next season? What are BMW's plans if, as they say, WRC is a good fit for Mini? Build their own team or just let drivers buy an M1 seat?
The only thing I can understand from BMW press release is the fact that the person who wrote this story is worth of his salary :-)
Ken Block must be thrilled - he might be able to legitimately beat a 'factory' driver this year...
If I'm not mistaken these two factors are necessary for future development of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
There must be an M1 team.
There must be a BMW signiture on any new homologation.
I understand BMW doesn't want Prodrive involved in either one. So will now Motorsport Italia get also over the development? Or will all the Mini project end silently at the end of the year? After a season of no results hardly someone will see the end of Mini as big news.
Another question. Who owns rights to currently homologated parts? Is it Prodrive or BMW?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=357256490960641
anyone of the portugese/brasil members here to translate what is he saying
If BMW are reading this:
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
It seems like the Aston Martin Nimrod all over again — non-official entry beating official entry. If that happens, and I think it surely will, how on earth could BMW claim to have made the right decision? There would be no positive spin to put on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
All very well and good, but in terms of results there is no way BMW could possibly benefit, rendering the whole 'new-look' works effort entirely pointless. I simply can't get my head around the notion of there being any way BMW's strategy can do any good results-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Indeed it's like that. Prodrive screwed up for finding sponsors and maybe other failures too. Motorsport Italia has the money for doing a full WRC with 2 drivers so FIA is happy with that they can be a M1 team and get new homologations. Prodrive seems to continue te development for this year now homologation seems okay and they can do a own private program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm betting on Sordo going to Motorsport Italia in 2013.
What a pointless and inane comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by bopApocalypse
It's all quite confusing but Autosport.com report this: "Prodrive will retain responsibility for construction and support of Mini John Cooper Works WRC customer cars, while working with the BMW Group on the further development of the car, which made its WRC debut last year. The long-term homologation of the Mini has been underwritten until 2018."Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Doesn't say whether they will stay with Prodrive ongoing though.
I don't see this whole situation quite as bad as the rest of you. Of course it is disappointing that BMW won't commit to a full works funded campaign with two good drivers but we all knew this announcement was coming in some way, shape or form. It could have been worse, BMW could have pulled straight away and not agreed to do any more homologations.
In my opinion, it would be good if FIA changed the manufacturer points system to something similar to IRC where the top two cars of any manufacturer score for that brand.
At least them are here.
Yeah and the team name will be changed to "Mini WRC Iberian Peninsula Team"Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
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Originally Posted by RS
AFAIK 7 years is standard period of homologation so a car as it is NOW shall be eligible for FIA events till 2018. No relevant information in this statement...
one word comes to mind
ClusterF%%% !!!
cannot bother, too many sick dogs involved in this one....
lets hope the Mini project collapses and takes along those sick tourist dogs araujo and Nombre with it....
As for Sordo...it would be IDEAL choice for VW team in 2013...from every point of view you look at it...he has winning pace on tarmac, and he is respectable on gravel to gather good points for manufacturer title, and Spain is quite a large market....
it is better than bother with ladycup challengers.
I agree. If I remember correctly, this always used to be the case, whether or not a car/team had been 'nominated'.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Yes, without BMW's "co-operation" no further homologation would be possible although the cars could still run in current form for 3 (?) more years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I would imagine BMW/Motorsport Italia will pay Prodrive for future development work.
Hard to know who owns the rights to the current parts and concepts. BMW?
And will BMW be happy with Prodrive continuing to use the Mini World Rally Championship Team name?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Agree on that. Latvala is faster but Sordo would probably be a more reliable No.2.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
It can avoid stupid situations with the "manufacturer" points and endless pretend teams being registered for the championship, as well as encouraging manufacturers to support as many fast drivers as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
If he gets money backing, the money from Motorsport Italia is from the pilots itself..Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
this open the door to tacticsQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Maybe BMW will want him to be in their official Mini team. After all, he 's the one who scored all podiums.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
I dont know how a Sordo / Ogier combination would work at VW, afterall it was Ogier who relegated Sordo from his position as number 2 driver at Citroen. I would suggest that Sordo and MSport Ford would be a good bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
True, but the cream always rose to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
not confusing at all.Only Prodrive can build a new car,service a gearbox,rebuild an engine.Motosport Italia service the cars through the rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
if they would stay with prodrive,they wouldn t choose Motorsport Italia to represent them at 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
you don t see it as a bad situation? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
of course bmw have pulled away from the project,that they are going to homologate 2 wishbones or a new bumper that is already ready doesn t change the situation.They try just to don t ridicule at all ,and find a safe method to walk away.