Must have been downhill or something ;)Quote:
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Must have been downhill or something ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
It doesn't metter.. But when driver is going to the corner on limiter in 3th gear and is on limiter whole corner that's what I liked very much.. :)
I watched 4 days of non stop S2000 rallying in recent Croatia rally so this is my opinion:
S2000 is very attractive in fast,twisty corners because the cars tend to gently slide while they are OK at hairpins.
Generally they are attractive at fast sections and OK at slow sections
Which is more than can be said of WRC's.
I was at Targa Florio and all S2000 were great even in uphills :P also uphill hairpins ... yes, you need great drivers for that but we have plenty here =)
especially in the catalunyan round of the calender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donney
sorry donney, but in my opinion that rally is no more interesting.
roads are to wide and so the wrc are driving through the stages like on a railway - no sliding, no action.
they should try to go to the north of barcelona to have more narrow and twisty tarmac roads.
In form of watching rallycars, I still prefer the WRC's at his moment. In my experience, S2000's are mostly (and pretty much only) spectaculair when driven on the limit, like I saw with Loix and Vouilloz at the Condroz Rally last year, but there's certaintly potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donney
Lately, their's been a flood of (recent) WRC's entering the Dutch rounds and it's just watertoothing to see and hear those cars. Therefore, I hope WRC's won't get banned in national competitions at least (which already happened in some country's).
But if we're talking WRC, nowadays it's a bland championship and if we want more manufacterers joining, S2000-like cars are defenitly the way to go.
That's true. Even a mediocre driver is able to make a good show with WRC although when talking about tarmac the most efficient way to drive is not very spectacular and therefore slower drivers are often more spectacular than those fast ones.
You're also right that S2000 is nice to watch only with very good driver and while pushed hard. It's not easy car to drive and requires very agresive style otherwise it's just a misery both for driver and spectators.
And that has to be a good thing. It brings the good drivers to the fore and forces them to be driven with aggression.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
This is what worries me about the proposed new WRCar rules. In theory the extra power and torque coupled with simpler S2000 transmission should make more sliding, but if the power is there to pull them out of trouble and the torque comes as strong and low as a current World Rally Car then they might not have to be driven as aggressively at all.
I still hope for no restrictor in new cars and some other way to keep power within some safe limit. In that case new cars should have good and quite loud sound and also higher rpm than current WRC.
As much as I dont agree with it, I can see the FIA deciding on a 1.6 Turbo powered S2000 format. It will then be left up to the teams to counter act potential breakages from excess torque.
If I had my way, we should just switch to Group A regulations and be done with it. It worked back then, why not now?
Rotation system is gone http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76272 until we see yet another brain fart from FIA in coming 10 years...
Why isn't Diesel being discussed? Didn't VW enquire about a Diesel Scirrocco?Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
The WRC needs Manufacturers like VW - with their connections and prestige.
Please, no diesel. Cars without sound are not safe when spectators are able to reach the road unlike on circuits...
PG Andersson will drive the Midnattssolsrallyt 11-14/7 ( Midnightsun rally)
a very big historic rally in sweden. PG will drive a Ford Escort BDA
Other interesting entrants:
Björn Waldegard, Porsche 911
Stig Blomqvist, Ford Escort RS 1800
Leif Asterhag, Toyota Celica
Gert Blomquist, Peugeot 504 Coupé V6
Erik "Eken Johansson, Audi Quattro
Mats Thorzelius, Opel Ascona A
Billy Johansson, Mazda RX3
Kim Sevius, Opel Ascona
Jan Sellholm, Opel Ascona
I also hope there wont be a restrictor but instead a boost limit to limit the power.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
But, there could be a way to go around this “high torque on low revs” effect (http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/turbo_restrictors.html ). By the regulations (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/2589A7BA2955E0A2C12574FF0051D9F4/$FILE/255%20(2009)-15112008.pdf, article 5.1.8.3 at beginning of page 22) the restrictor has to be at a max. 50 mm distance from the compressor blades and it’s this that causes a concentrated airflow to the center of the turbocharger's compressor wheel, which in turns causes the “high torque on low revs” effect. By placing the restrictor more far away from the turbo’s compressor wheels, the incoming air has time to expand and not causing this “high torque on low revs” effect. I don’t know if this is the right conclusion but if it is, the torque would be more level at a broader rev band, which would mean increasing power when revs increases.
Thanks.
It looks like group N will use 33 mm restrictor since 2010.
Toyota may have homologation for their Australian S2000 on Tuesday. Will keep you all posted.
Ray
Matti Rantanen will drive a second Ford Focus with the Munchi's team in Finland. It has been a while since he drove a Ford, so he wil do a 100 km test before the rally.
An interview with Simon Long about the future of WRC.
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/23142.html
Yesterday I saw an article on the French newspaper les Dernieres Nouvelles d'Alsace about Alsace's candidacy to the WRC in 2010, that the deadline for the candidacy was June 30, and that they thought it would be good that a WRC event would be held in Sebastien Loeb's native territory.
Today, this article disappeared from the web and I'm wondering whether because the newspaper just deletes news (but they have older news on their website) or because it was a mistake or because it was not supposed to be public. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks in advance.
The FFSA will choose in october which of the 4 candidate rallies will host the 2010 WRC round. A rally in the regions Alsace Lorraine, Burgundy and Franche-Comté du Limousin, and the Tour of Corsica
http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/wrc/a...de-france-2010
Yeah I saw that. Maybe the article was withdrawn because it appeared before the FFSA made an official announcement, maybe not, who knows. Thanks for the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
...Any latest news..?Quote:
Originally Posted by raybak
I have read some rumours on the Net that Sordo mIght go to Ford next year??Is it true or he just a journalist's thought??
And if (and it's a big if) who would replace him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
It was in a Spanish Paper last week. It said that Ford met with Sordo in Poland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koppomsbo
well, as said earlier. IF it happends, would be nice to see but who will replace him in Citroen? Ogier?
Spanish papers seems to be very creative with rumours. Look at those Alonso to Ferrrari/Honda/redbull/whatever in the past.
Anyway, Sordo must feel some pressure, because Citroen certainly has some plans for Ogier. So he could have offered himself to Ford. Then it's another thing, if Ford has any use for him.
News in Autosport magazine in UK today about a growing and edging to bitter dispute betwwen the FIA and the WRC manufacturers over the 1.6T engine. Citroen have said they will not develop a new 1.6T engine for 2011 wrc unless there is commitment from others, (and the story names VW & FIAT) to commit to joining the wrc and also build the new engined cars by 2011. If there is no firm commitment from these manufacturers Citroen and Ford have agreed to delay the new engines for another year, and if I read it correctly WILL stay in wrc but with S2000 n/a engined cars. Morrie Chandler lost patience with ' these two teams who dont know what they want - they change their minds on a daily basis or if it rains' he said. Ford on the other hand beleive that 1.6T is the best for the future but have agreed with Citroen. It seems to me that the mess is getting bigger. If have sympathy with Citroen and Ford, as potentially they could invest a significant financial resource to designing and building a new type engine, whilst the other manufacturers could potentailly stay in IRC and use what they have, without spening the money. Citroen & Ford could be on the verge of wasting big money if no other manufacturer joins. I just wonder if this ever gets sorted..........
In this weeks motorsport news it reports that prodrive will be back with a manufacture for the 2011 season.Dave Richards say's they are in talks with 3 manufactures.But he has all ready set a team of 6 to design ,under the new regulations.They have been doing it for the last 6 months and are 50% in to the design.Richard's claims computer aided desighn technology would make it easy for prodrives concept to be adapted to any make of car.
Sounds interesting especially with 3 manufactures showing interest,lets hope it comes to fruitrition.
yawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastboy
prodrive have lost a lot of street cred, not being able to get the s14 sorted, and the failed Prodrive F1 project.
But they have Aston Martin (whole brand, with some other investors)..
Thnx God that the N2009 is better in PWC than a Evo X!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
Well as I said before, I don't understand why develop a new engine, when they have many manufacturers with the n/a 2l engine allready. So they shot themselves in the leg again... So typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
It's policy of manufacturers that 2 litre engine has more co2 to the atmosphere so they're becomin' history.. They want to promote new 1.6 turbo engines with lower co2.. But chasses must be identical like S2000 (only other engine)..
I am in agreement with using 1.6T not 2 litre engines, its definately the right way to go. But this is going to take time, I would prefer it if (for competition's sake) the current WRC cars stopped on 31/12/09 and for 2010 and 2011 we had S2000 with the new 1.6T engines coming in from Jan 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
The way things could develop now is that the current 2 teams could soon be pushing for the status quo with wrc cars to continue. That will just kill it off and IRC becomes the premier series.
I agree.. There's more than 100 S2000 cars outside in private hands and "drivers without money" can try now with big boys!!! :)
Sebastien Loeb is seriously aplying for the F1 seat inthe Toro Rosso Team, as a replacement for Sebastien Bourdais, who is strongly rumoured to be out of the team after the German GP this weekend. However Citroen Racing teamboss Olivier Quesnel is not amused of letting him go during this season, which is very understandable :) . But Loeb is getting bored of WRC and is looking for new/real excitement