Mc Kinstry's starting number was 37.Quote:
Originally Posted by sednem
Regards
Janusz
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Mc Kinstry's starting number was 37.Quote:
Originally Posted by sednem
Regards
Janusz
I am looking for some data on Eastern Europe rallies:
1967
Cordatic (H) dates, result (possibly full), start lists
1968
Pneumant (DDR) 27-30.3 result (possibly full), start lists
1969
Cordatic (H) 29-31.8 result (possibly full), start lists
Tatry-Poprad (CS) 5-7.9. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 24-26.10 result (possibly full), start lists
1970
Zlatni Piassetzi (BG) 13-14.6. result (possibly full), start lists
Cordatic (H) 28-30.8. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 22-24.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1971
Vltava (CS) dates, result (possibly full), start lists
Slovensko ZTS Nitra (CS) 11-13.9. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 19-20.11. result (possibly full), start lists
1972
Slovensko Poprad - Tatry (CS) 23-24.9. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 27-28.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1973
Cordatic (H) 31.8-1.9. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 27-28.10 result (possibly full), start lists
Russkaya Zima (SU) 14-16.12. result (possibly full), start lists
1974
Volan (H) 30-31.5. result (possibly full), start lists
Donau (RO) 1-3.8. result (possibly full), start lists
1976
Volan (H) 28-29.4. result (possibly full), start lists
Sachsenring (DDR) 9-10.9. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 21-23.10. result (possibly full), start lists
Russkaya Zima (SU) 11-15.12. result (possibly full), start lists
1978
Wartburg (DDR) 19-21.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1980
Wartburg (DDR) 23-25.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1981
Volan (H) 23-24.5. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) dates, result (possibly full), start lists
1983
Wartburg (DDR) dates, result (possibly full), start lists
Wismut (DDR) 1-2.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1984
Mogurt Salgo (H) 30.3-1.4. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 19-20.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1985
Mogurt Salgo (H) 12-14.4. result (possibly full), start lists
Tatry (CS) dates, result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 25-26.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1986
Mogurt Salgo (H) 19-20.4. result (possibly full), start lists
Donau Dacia (RO) 14-15.6. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 23-25.10. result (possibly full), start lists
1987
Donau Dacia (RO) 11-12.6. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 20-21.10. result (possibly full), start lists
Soyuz'87 (SU) dates, result (possibly full), start lists
1988
Mogurt Salgo (H) 22-24.10. result (possibly full), start lists
Old Toomas Tallin (SU) 21.5. result (possibly full), start lists
1989
Mogurt Salgo (H) 21-23.4. result (possibly full), start lists
Donau Dacia (RO) 9-11.6. result (possibly full), start lists
Wartburg (DDR) 19-21.10. result (possibly full), start lists
Sachsenring (DDR) 2-4.11. result (possibly full), start lists
Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards
Janusz
Janusz,Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
There was no! Cordatic rallye in 1973.
In 1973 the Taurus Rallye(31.8-1.-9.) was the Hungarian round of the CPF Championship.
'74 VOLÁN rallye was Hungarian only event. I have full result if you need...Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Hi RobertS,
Thank you for correction Taurus/Cordatic and of course I need Volan'74 full result.
Regards
Janusz
Thanks JanuszQuote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Noel Harvey was #29 in the 1978 Donegal International RallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
If Subaru had stayed in the WRC for 2009 who would have been the drivers? One of them was Gronholm?
Would Guy Wilks have had a seat?
Any help is appreciated; I am not sure if the year 2009 is "historic" enough =p
Thanks KevinQuote:
Originally Posted by anihel
No problem Steve, been off these forums for a few years, so I hope I can answer any Irish (and maybe some British) related questions through the Rallyretro connection!
The basic rule I use is if the topic involves drivers still competing then it isn't historic yet. But that really applies to discussions not a simple question like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
What you could have done (and I'm not saying do it retrospectively) is open a new thread and flag it as history - then it appears in both bulletin boards.
While I'm on, I feel that this thread is getting very long and unwieldy. Should we close it and start a series of threads on the history ofndividual rallies or series. What do people think?
The posting volume on average is not high and having it in one thread has the advantage of only needing to check a single thread on the relatively infrequent times I drop in. If you split it there could be a vast numbrt of threads, most with very few posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
I agree. It's easy to drop in every so often and learn some interesting facts, make the odd contribution and perhaps re-kindle memories. If you try to divide it up into events it becomes difficult to know where to put championship queries. If it's divided into championships where do you put a question about one event over a number of years. As Martin says you would finish up with a lot of short threads as each new question would almost certainly have to start a new thread of its own.
I'm a strong believer in "If it aint broke - don't fix it" so I will leave the thread alone at this stage.
But, can we be sure that someone looking for information on, say, the Acropolis Rally or the Sestieres Rally will know how to look on here? That is the main reason I'm suggesting a split.
No we can't be sure. If Rally History was a Forum in its own right then having lots of threads would be fine but as a relatively small part of a Motor Sport History Forum I fear that they might get lost; open to be persuaded otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
I am looking for entry lists of following rallies:
Hebros 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009;
Sliven 2006, 2007, 2008;
Vins Macon 2008;
Canaria (El Corte Ingles) 2008;
Iasului Tester (RO) 2007;
Centro de Portugal 2005, 2006, 2007;
Yalta 2007;
Postojinska Jama 2006;
Budapest 2006;
Saarland 2006 - here I look also for full result of the rally
Interspeed 2006;
South Swedish 2006;
Il Ciocco 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004;
Boucles de Spa 2001, 2002, 2003;
Romania 2001, 2002;
Ticino 2002;
Ardenes 2001;
Thank you in advance
and wish you all Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2012!
Regards
Janusz
Hi Janusz,
The Boucles de Spa entry lists of 2002 and 2003 are here: Chronométrage - Races Information Services - Tag Heuer - Chronelec (click on '2004', scroll a bit and click on 'Boucles de Spa', than you see also 2002 and 2003). You can also see there the final results, SS times and the retirements.
All about the Boucles de Spa 2001 is here: http://www.race-rally.be/bouclesdespa2001/default-.htm
I wish you and all the other members also a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2012.
Thank you very much for information Wim!
In late 60's there was a crew from Bulgaria K. Agura / A. Agura. Later on Atanas Agura was a driver himself. Who can help me with a christian name of "K" Agura?
Regards
Janusz
Hi Nenad,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenad Nikolic
Thank you for your reply. Do you have lists of Interspeed Rally 1998 and 2000?
regards
Janusz
Janusz, this is start list for Postojnska jama: http://turizem-kras.si/wap/rezultati/startna_lista.pdf
Happy New Year to you all!
Does anyone have any entry lists or results for the 1987 and 1988 Rallye du Moroc please?
Sorry, wrong year! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MG Rally
It is the 1986 Rallye du Moroc that I am looking for details of please - date, entry list, results and photos if possible. Many thanks, and apologies for the confusion.
WRC Greatest Rallies: Safari - Part 1/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tkGJA-7wY :D
Fascinating! I grew up in Kenya in the fifties and early sixties and Easter weekend meant - simply - the Safari.
At that time, ie up to about 1967 or so, the cars had to be Group 1, absolutely bog standard with no modifications allowed. But it was run on mainly "main", but still dirt and bumpy, roads. After that, limited modifications were allowed. And by 1970 the rally was open to Group 2 cars. It was only later when highly modified cars were allowed that the real "car killer" roads were introduced.
Fact....only two of the current wrc drivers drove in the safari rally SEB LOEB and PETTER SOLBERG!
A contradiction in terms! Let's not give further circulation to the myth that Gp1 meant standard!Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
I appreciate the Safari was more restricted than FIA Gp1 at one time. I think we have previously covered on here the actual changes/dates.
I have no intention of promoting any myths! The original intention was "Absolutely standard, the same as any East African motorist could buy from a car showroom". The classes were even based on retail price. When the rally went international the REAAA adopted the current FIA Group 1.
Can you please provide a link to where this was discussed as I don't fancy ploughing through 1700+ posts looking for it.
I would if I didn't have to go through 1700 posts...Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
Do we have them all still? I thought someone said recently we'd lost earlier parts of the thread? The regular rally historians were involved IIRC and I'm sure someone confirmed 1967 was the first time Gp2 was alllowed.
What was confusing in 67 was that the Mk2 Cortina GTs Ford entered in Gp2 were mechanically (if not bodily) virtually Gp1 cars, the Mk2 Lotus not having been homologated yet (and the Mk2 GT probably not yet in Gp1?). Don't know the spec of the two(?)(Clark and Preston?) Mk1 Lotus entered but the MK1s, both Lotus and GT, had a lot of stuff homologated in Gp1.
I for one would really appreciate an 'online lecture', ideally in a separate thread, on the nuances of the Group system.
Maybe we should ask Professor Stephen Hawking to take a year or so out from explaining the origin of the universe? - but he'd probably struggle to get his mind round Appendix J...Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I recall we had someone come on here asking for a summary of the relevant Appendix J Groups for an article on Porsche 911s. He went a bit quiet after the initial replies and disappeared when we touched on the fact they virtually all changed most years to a greater or lesser extent...
"Greatest Homologation fiddles of all time" would also be a good subject...
I knew he has quite an collection of cars, but there was never really any proof of it, maybe i've seen some climpses. Now, check these pictures, a whole 140 of them. That is pretty damn impressive i might say!!
Inside the Car Collection of Finnish WRC Legend Juha Kankkunen on Inside Line
François Delecour drives now in the Rallye Monte-Carlo and has done the Safari Rally in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
Please help me for name:ERC-1998: 10/Rally Criterium Jurasien- 8.place pilot "Roli Rolandini"-real name ;30/Rally Romania-10.place copilot J.M.Kuaranta (FR)-first name ; ERC-1997: 9/Rally Tour of Cyprus- 4.place "Jason"-real name , 8.place Haralambus (CY)-M.Joanu (CY)-first name and 9.place copilot Vrakas (CY)-first name ; 34/Rally Del Salento-10.place copilot L.Volpi (IT)-first name : ERC-1996: 7/Rally Circuit des Ardenes-7.place copilot Gasparis (BEL)-first name and 9.place De Cank (BEL)-De Suter (BEL)-first name ; 17/Rally Alsace Vosges - 9.place J.Nilsen (??)-P.Nilsen (??)-first name and state ; 18/Rota do Sol-10.place L.Silva (POR)-J.Pinto (POR)-first name ; 22/Rally Ipres-8.place copilot D.Kaytan (BEL)-first name ;23/Rally Romania-6.place Turon (??)-Cuno (??)-first name and state and 8.place Veriga (??)-Kas (??)-first name and state ;40/Rally Mesina- 10.place pilot Arkovito (IT)-first name ; 47/Rally San Marino-8.place "Mistral"(IT)-real name.
The names of the driver and co-driver is:Quote:
Originally Posted by stanislav197
Jørgen Nielsen / Preben Nielsen - both from Denmark.
Note that their last name is spelled Nielsen - not Nilsen.
Thanks,hsmed.
30/Rally Romania-10.place copilot J.M.Kuaranta (FR)-first name; Jean-M. QuarantaQuote:
Originally Posted by stanislav197
34/Rally Del Salento-10.place copilot L.Volpi (IT)-first name: Luigi Volpi
ERC-1996:
22/Rally Ipres-8.place copilot D.Kaytan (BEL)-first name ;D. Caytan
Regards
Janusz
05 Piehler/Sachse DDR Trabant 601Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
06 Hohlheimer/Huber D Fiat 128 Rallye
07 Kunze/Mausfeld D Porsche 911T
08 Hense/Bomhard D BMW 3.0S
09 Jelsdorf/Gliese DK Opel Rallye Kadett
10 Svensson/Sylvan S Porsche 911
Fred
Thank you very much Mr Gallagher. It was one of ERC rallies I couldn't find more than top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Gallagher
There are some more "impossible to find" rallies:
1971 Geneve 7th-10th
1972 Tour de Belgique 7th-10th
1972 Paris-St. Rapahel Feminin 6th-10th
1973 Cyprus 7th-10th
1974 San Marino 7th-10th
1974 Donau 7th-10th
1974 Lugano 7th-10th
1974 OASC 7th-10th
1976 Sachs Winter 9th-10th
1976 Criterium Bianchi 7th-10th
1977 OASC 2nd-10th (I have just only the winner!)
1977 Bosphorus 6th-10th
If you are able to help me I'll be very appreciated.
Regards
Janusz
Das Gesamtklassement des 39. Rallye
von Genf
1. Nicolas/Todt (F), Alpine, 8418 Punkte;
2 Henry/Grobot (F), Alpine, 8723;
3. Haldi/Chapuis (CH), Porsche, 8746;
4. Vetsch/Olivier (CH) Porsche, 9037;
5. Palayer/Rouff(F), Alpine Renault, 9163;
6. Fiorentino/Gelin(F), Simca CG, 9256;
7. Lepoutre/Dufosse(F), Alpine Renault, 9286;
8. Chasseuil/Baron(F), Alfa R. 1750, 9524;
9. Trautmann/Desvignes(F), Alpine R., 9677;
10. Ragnotti'Thimonier(F) Opel K., 9749;