What Happens Next?

What you offered is an opinion.There are no facts to point to"pulling the plug".

please provide proof of blank sidpods in 2007, I do not recall any.

The events had good sponsorship.Name a series that hasn't lost a sponsor.Even Nascar can't find a sponsor for their secondary series.

Name one series that hasn't changed their schedule.

none of these things are life-threatening or can't be overcome. But I will hold you to your prediction and promise I will come back and face the results, which will be to my advantage, IMO.

Rumor, CC to Brands Hatch and the Nurburgring in 2008.

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Originally Posted by tbyars

sanguin, NOTHING depends on the demise of CCWS. Except for CCWS.

Just like in the last days of CART, the demise of CCWS will be their own undoing as a result of poor managment...

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I’m not sure it’s that simple. It appears Mazda jumped in at the last minute to save the MC race just like they did in Portland, and Mazda Mexico is partially sponsoring Mario’s car for the race.

Until I see signs that Mazda’s withdrawing their support for CC, I’ll have a hard time thinking the end is near. Without knowing Zoom Zoom’s plans or intentions I think it’s impossible to make any clear predictions as to CC’s fate. Mazda could end it all or keep it going - and at least for now - they seem to keep it going.
-John

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Originally Posted by sanguin

What you offered is an opinion.

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No. several of the items I offered were facts. You just chose to hide behind "IMO" to ignore them.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

There are no facts to point to"pulling the plug".

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And I CLEARLY stated it as such, and gave the basis for my opinion, rather than just stating it was my opinion with absolutely NO support, as you do.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

please provide proof of blank sidpods in 2007, I do not recall any.

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You recall wrong.

Look at the photos from the last CC event on the MotorSports Forum. Look at the very first picture. What sponsor is on the sidepod of Kat's car?

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Originally Posted by sanguin

The events had good sponsorship.

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Who was the event sponsor for Vegas? What was the given reson for Phoenix not happening? What ws the given reason for things falling apart in China?

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Name a series that hasn't lost a sponsor.Even Nascar can't find a sponsor for their secondary series.

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We're not talking about other series. We are talking about CCWS.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Name one series that hasn't changed their schedule.

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The IRL ran EXACTLY the schedule in 2007 that was released last year. NASCAR (NNC and Busch) ran EXACTLY the schedule in 2007 that was released last year. I believe ALMS and Grand Am ran EXACTLY the same schedule that was released for 2007. I believe NHRA ran EXACTLY the schedule that was released.

Name one other series that cancelled three races from its announced schedule from 2007.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

none of these things are life-threatening or can't be overcome.

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Agreed. But they won't fix themselves. Name ONE THING CCWS, as a series, has done to address any of these issues in the past 90 days. When do you believe the CCWS schedule will make an appearance? When do you think Mexico City tickets will go on sale? "Don't wait for the translation;" answer the question. You won''t, though. You just ignore things like this.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

But I will hold you to your prediction and promise I will come back and face the results, which will be to my advantage, IMO.

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And that is fine. I have been wrong before, and am still here, 1,500 posts and 5 years later because I faced up to being wrong.

I'm not the question here. You are the question. Will you hold the same standard, or will you run away if and when you are proven to be wrong?

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Rumor, CC to Brands Hatch and the Nurburgring in 2008.

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Rumor, CC will become a series that races llamas in the far east in 2008.

It has just as much credibility.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

please provide proof of blank sidpods in 2007, I do not recall any.

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Do you recall this one?

http://www.deepthrottle.com/Photo/ro...photo_22.shtml

Jeff

Compared to other years gone by, I think the series sidepods have looked very good this year!!!

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Originally Posted by jimispeed

Compared to other years gone by, I think the series sidepods have looked very good this year!!!

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Yes, Jimspeed, the sidepods did look better this year compared to the past three seasons but next year is not looking very promising now that Lexington Energy, Hustler and AVN are out of the picture. More on that later.

On the plus side, kudos should go to the folks at Mazda if they did in fact step up to help out Mario Dominquez and save the Mexico City race at the last minute. My frustration with the series owners and management does not extend to the promoters, manufacturer, sponsors and the drivers nor do I want Champ Car's fans in Mexico to be let down. That said, the Mazda people must be tired of getting ChampCar's 911 calls. Regardless, muchas gracias Mazda for all you do.

The time has now come for “Chaim's Dozen What Happens Next" predictions. I will eat digital (Kosher) crow personally served by Sanguin if I am wrong on more than half of these. Looking into my crystal ball (shaped exactly like Paulie G-String's shiny head) I see that the following will occur in Champ Car in 2008:

1) CDW will be gone and instead be in ALMS but certain people will pretend this is only a flesh wound.

2) Medi | Zone will have followed CDW out the door but will not appear in another series. Some here will claim that they will still be in the series until reality sets in at the first race in Long Beach.

3) Red Bull -- They won’t be back as a Champ Car team sponsor but their logos will still remain on a few driver’s helmets. Certain people wearing rose colored glasses will point to this as proof that Red Bull is committed to Champ Car’s Three Day Festivals of Speed format.

4) The Las Vegas race will not happen in 2008 but certain folks will attend anyhow and rave about what a rockin' event it was and how much larger the crowd was than the IRL opener in Homestead.

5) China will be stillborn in 2008… and 2009… and 2010. Everyone, including Chairman Bill France Jr. and Chairman Mao himself will be named as co-conspirators in killing the race by the people who frequent CCF.

6) Tags will sue Paulie G-String for monies owed and nobody will be surprised when the story breaks in AVN followed by a spread in Hustler.

7) One major Champ Car team will leave for another series after 2007. (Then others will wonder what kind of deal that team got and a certain phone in Speedway, Indiana will start ringing. The Champ Car team owners who call will all change their minds about leaving the series after listening to “I am Indy” while on hold.)

8) Steve Johnson will leave Champ Car after the season and be blamed for everything regardless of where the real blame lies. Garrett Mudd and John Claget will last exactly 1.72 seconds longer than Johnson. Tony Cotman will be elevated to the position of "President For A Day" and after that one day passes he will move on to the IRL as Brain Barnhart's No. 2 where he will be given the tough jobs of making sure Manica finally wins a race and Dilka Muno experiences the joy of full throttle at least once in her life.

9) There will only be 4 races in the USA, 2 in Europe, 3 in Canada, 1 in Australia in 2008 (if there is a 2008 season). This will come after Champ Car boldly leaks a tentative schedule showing 6 races in the USA, 4 in Europe, 3 in Canada, 1 in Australia and 1 in Mexico.

10) There will be a special media talk with the four OWRS owners and the two media people left who cover the series. The Amigos will again proclaim all is well and Kevin Kalkhoven will promise that 2009 will be the breakout season. These two reporters will be pleased because they like traveling on Kevin’s G5 and they have already written the story (in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007). All they will need to do is change the dates and swap the events that were cancelled this year for the events that will be cancelled in 2008.

11) in an effort to mainstream the sport, a Champ Car driver will be one of the contestants on "Prancing With The Cars", (a new "espn 8" reality show). The format will involve running across the racetrack during a race. Twenty-two past and present Champ Car drivers plus the entire Atlantic grid will apply for the one open spot on the show. All will figure that they have a better chance of getting paid or getting famous by being on this show than they do racing in the Champ Car World Series in 2008. They will all know that there will only be 12 cars in most of the races so the chances of getting hit by one of them will be about as slim as the chances of getting paid by Paulie G-String.

12) Sherwin Williams will not cover the earth with Champ Car in 2008. Instead the earth will cover Champ Car and Sherwin Williams will be used to gloss over the sad truth of why this happend.

What do you predict?

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Originally Posted by jimispeed

Compared to other years gone by, I think the series sidepods have looked very good this year!!!

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I agree

nothing will happen- CCWS will limp on for another year and they'll promise that everything will be better next year....pull the plug guys- for the sake of OWR in the USA- there's nothing to suggest that 2008 will be any better than this year

and with it's new schedule the IRL has morphed into what CART was in terms of diversity of tracks etc

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Originally Posted by djparky

nothing will happen- CCWS will limp on for another year and they'll promise that everything will be better next year....pull the plug guys- for the sake of OWR in the USA- there's nothing to suggest that 2008 will be any better than this year

and with it's new schedule the IRL has morphed into what CART was in terms of diversity of tracks etc

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Well, djparky, that sadly sums it up. Read it and weep mi Amigos.

On the negative side, I have heard from very good sources that CDW has said "no" to sponsoring Newman/Haas/Lanigan in 2008 and that Medi | Zone will most certainly not return either next year (as predicted). The latter fact has been known for some time. These two factors could be important in determining what happens next for Champ Car's most famous team.

Finally, on the plus side, I have heard that chances are good that a personal connection of the Figge family may land a Mexican beer sponsor for the team for 2008, thus the Mario Dominguez deal. This of course depends on the Mexican beer company being convinced that there will be a 2008 Champ Car season.

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Originally Posted by ChaimWitz

Well, djparky, that sadly sums it up. Read it and weep mi Amigos.

On the negative side, I have heard from very good sources that CDW has said "no" to sponsoring Newman/Haas/Lanigan in 2008 and that Medi | Zone will most certainly not return either next year (as predicted). The latter fact has been known for some time. These two factors could be important in determining what happens next for Champ Car's most famous team.

Finally, on the plus side, I have heard that chances are good that a personal connection of the Figge family may land a Mexican beer sponsor for the team for 2008, thus the Mario Dominguez deal. This of course depends on the Mexican beer company being convinced that there will be a 2008 Champ Car season.

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Going a step further, i am also hearing that proof of financial solvency and ability to perform are being required from all directions and that there is pushback from the Amigos as it actually demands a performance guaranteee which would cost a fortune if they cancelled a race or didn't have enough cars on the grid. This presents a stalemate as the team clearly don't have sponsorship locked down for next season...IMO, it's this stalemate that will give the greatest chance of a cancelled season...though i agree that NHL are likely to be gone, making this scenario near impossible to resolve easily...time will tell.