Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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17th July 2007, 00:06
Racehound

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

They should round up all the McLaren cars, and burn them under a cross by men wearing pointed head caps and hoods. That'll teach anyone who wants to engage in espionage in the future to beat the red cars.

with Lewboy on top of the pyre i spose!!!! :) ha ha ha ha ha
17th July 2007, 00:11
Racehound

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Originally Posted by AJP

thanks for that Mr. Positive.... ;)

ha ha ha ....its a bit difficult to be upbeat about this now!!!!!.....the poison pixie and madmax must be polishing the office table already and looking forward to giving ronnyboy something to really start crying about!!!!!.....this is gonna hurt ron, but bend over and take it like a man!!!!!
17th July 2007, 00:13
Racehound

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Originally Posted by andreag

Link, please :rolleyes:

no problem with cheating except getting caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17th July 2007, 05:45
Hendersen

Looks like Mclaren is going to tighten their own noose. They are saying no one else was told about the documents at Mclaren, even though Coughlen already has a sword statement saying that he did. They also have the problem about asking about rules clarifications for some things that seemed to be related to Ferrari design specs.
17th July 2007, 06:05
leopard

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Originally Posted by Racehound

no problem with cheating except getting caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It isn't as simple as that, You will never be able to do anything to the caught person if he has power more than you, better sleeping
17th July 2007, 06:45
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by leopardsleeping

It isn't as simple as that, You will never be able to do anything to the caught person if he has power more than you, better sleeping

I know this applies to Indonesia, Burma, and sometimes even Thailand, but in Europe, this is highly unlikely, especially when somebody steals from Ferrari. Not many have greater power than Ferrari in F1.

Not that makes any difference in my mind. The truth will eventually come out when the beans are spilt.
17th July 2007, 07:40
leopard

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I know this applies to Indonesia, Burma, and sometimes even Thailand

:D :D
Sometimes it doesn't apply as it looks, the favorite winner of Asian Cup was fallen off during elimination stage ;)

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

this is highly unlikely, especially when somebody steals from Ferrari. Not many have greater power than Ferrari in F1.

Didn't you ever think this is only coincidence? McLaren has ever scored the fastest car in F1 before, to be the fastest again (at least approaching the fastest) shouldn't need change dramatically. Without this case, they have what they need to re-gain the power.
17th July 2007, 08:02
wmcot

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Either theory has a similar level of credibility until we know more.

Yeah, a 780 page document (and 2 copies or more to boot) vs. a lawyer's statement - I see those as equally credible...RIGHT!!!
17th July 2007, 08:40
janneppi

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Originally Posted by Racehound

and not just any old McLaren employee!!!!....only their chief designer no less!!!!!!.........

Well, one of five chief engineers actually...and the one not in charge of anything ;)
17th July 2007, 08:55
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Yeah, a 780 page document (and 2 copies or more to boot) vs. a lawyer's statement - I see those as equally credible...RIGHT!!!

My point is that none of us know the full facts, and until we do we can all put forward credible or fanciful theories.

McLaren have repeatedly said that: "...no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari." Yet there are some who ignore those statements while accepting others that implicate the team.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Trying to claim that Ferrari have stitched them up, based solely on Nigel Stepney's lawyers comments (well, he would say that, wouldn't he?), is not equal to Mclaren having to go to Paris next week to explain why documents relating to the F2007 were in the possession of their chief designer.

One is fact, the other speculation.......speculation most likely brought about by a case of self-denial and an unwillingness to accept that those who make a song and dance about appearing to be whiter than white might just be as grimey as the rest of us.

I said earlier that Stepney's comments may reflect the situation he's now in. Then again, they may equally reflect the truth of this matter. Someone sent Ferrari documents to a McLaren employee. Who that was, and what was done with those documents remains to be established.

Most of what we post here is speculation, so it's not a case of being unwilling to accept anything because very little has been established as fact. That doesn't prevent anyone from prejudging the situation, in fact it positively encourages conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Telling Ferrari fans that they aren't able to accept the reality was nice and easy! Now take a look at yourselves! :p :

Judge the case on what we know, not what some want to see.

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