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Originally Posted by SGWilko
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Bingo! :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Not that hard, is it. You don't have to agree with anyone, just respect them for their own opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Precisely. I enjoy debating like this but I do despair when people naturally assume that just because X and Y said that such and such a thing must be true that it is. I'd be fairly confident that if Brundle did inspect the crash with Maldonado he would come up with the conclusion that it was either Maldonado's fault or a racing incident. If Maldonado didn't know Lewis was there I'd put it down to a racing incident but clearly he changes is line to defend against Lewis and cuts across him leaving Lewis nowhere to go, thus I have to point the blame in Pastor's direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Actually I do; and funnily enough I agree w/ the stewards in at least the Maldonaldo incident - I spoke about it earlier. Far as i'm concerned provided a driver doesn't use excessive blocking the rules allow for you to shut the door on a competitor in a fair manner. Maldonaldo was ahead of Lewis and in the process of closing the door when the new Ali G decided to dive bomb up the inside because it would seem based on the race had lost patience with being so far off Vettel.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
My statement was more addressing the 'those 2 ex-[drivers] are incorrect' given that there are a fair few on here who agree w/ the penalty and moreso the fact that Lewis was to blame. It always seems if someone is a fan of a certain driver then a penalty against that driver is unfair yet a similar penalty against a competitor is deemed to be appropriate [would love to know whether some of the Lewis fans would have been arguing for Vettel to be banned for a race if he had been in Lewis' position].
And end of the day Lewis trying to play the 'race card' as a grounds for the penalty was completely ridiculous - i'm yet to see any real evidence supporting this? Yes he may have had a rough trot w/ certain individuals playing morons and he has every right to be offended and upset by that - but to then claim racism because the stewards are doing their job? Makes a mockery of those suffering from real racism. I put this on par w/ Bernie's comment concerning education and the issues in Bahrain.
Enough individuality and self opinion there for u SGWilko - note agreeing w/ the stewards/commentators IS having an opinion
When you start among the monkeys they seldom like you.
That's a bit more like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbo
While those of us that believe Hamilton correct have given detailed accounts of what happened, unfortunately all I've heard from the anti-Hamilton brigade is that he divebombed up the inside because he lost patience or he dove in all repeated in varying different ways etc None of you have yet given details showing how he "dive bombed" from being almost level on the track with him. My guess is you actually can't give a detailed account because you're not able.
There is no evidence backing this up at all because to dive bomb up the inside of someone you have to be behind them and just throw it in or at least quite a bit further back than Hammy was. Hamilton was already on the inside with his front wing almost at the back of Maldonado's front wing. If that's a dive bomb then most overtaking must be a dive bomb because in most overtakes I've seen I'd rarely see a driver in a better position to outbrake his opponent into a corner than Hamilton was there.
By the way, the rules allow you to move once to defend your position. Maldonado moved twice whilst under attack from Lewis. If the stewards were being consistent he should have been penalised for that.
Well said. Bad joke. Bad timing. Most people, including the FIA, accept this.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Plenty opinion yes - well done. But don't go on the defensive when you decide you 'have' to believe someone elses opinion over the commentators' opinions. You make up your own mind and stop putting down other peoples opinions. Dissagree by all means, but don't ridicule anothers' opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbo
You are indeed allowed to block an overtake, but you'd expect the block to happen before the overtake is being made, otherwise you then just end up turning in on your competitor who is already alongside.
One has to factor in also that, rather than 'dive bombing' up the inside, Lewis was simply faster and better positioned to take the inside line to the corner by virtue of the speed advantage given by use of the DRS. If you cannot use the DRS to facilitate an overtake, why have it?
A lot of us voiced our concerns at the use of DRS at Monaco due to the confines and proximity of the barriers, nonetheless the FIA deemed it appropriate, and thus the Stewards really ought to consider the effect it could have in setting up such passes. Maldonado also showed his inexperience by. perhaps, not taking this into consideration. However, this is his rookie year, and you can expect mistakes to be made - this is after all how you learn!
On a seperate issue, I have been trying to determine the root cause of Massa's tunnel crash: Was it because he was on the marbles, was it due to damage from the McLaren or, was it damage to the wing stays due to clouting the Red Bull. The more I watch the replay, the more we can see just how hard Massa hit Webber - I think the hole in Massa's cars' nose was a result of this, and perhaps the resultant loss of front end grip set up the accident. Although ultimetely, he hit the barrier because the rear wheels lost traction on the marbles/dust off-line.
See I do have quite a good grasp of sarcasm - Brits may not believe it but we actually do speak English down under :p (did that work? did the sarcasm come through there) But making a joke about something which can be quite serious (just look at the way English fans hit the roof over the black-faced fans in Spain) is not on - especially when you have been around the block for more than 5mins. If Lewis didn't have a question mark in his own mind over it then why go there - he isn't that stupid as to think it wouldn't cause a headlineQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I'd imagine it was damage from the Loews hairpin a few corners before. How Hamilton got alongside Massa in the tunnel is beyond me. I really wish we could find some coverage of this as it could shed some light on Massa's crash and what actually caused it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko