Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by Eli
juho hanninen should have shared Mikko's seat alongside Bouffier...
I don't know about Bouffier, is he just a tarmac specialist or good on gravel too but I really don't understand the high praise of Juho Hänninen??
What comes to Mikko, I'm anxious to see him in Rally Sweden. There should be absolutely no excuse him for not to be on podium. One of his favourite events, familiar car and team, suitable for his driving style etc... If I see similar Mikko than this weekend with total lack of fighting spirit and pace, well, tha's about it then :mark:
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
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Originally Posted by Eli
juho hanninen should have shared Mikko's seat alongside Bouffier...
I don't know about Bouffier, is he just a tarmac specialist or good on gravel too but I really don't understand the high praise of Juho Hänninen??
What is it with you rebellious Finns these days? :p A few years ago on this forum some members gave the impression that all Finns were world champion material and if they turned out not to be it was somebody else's fault.
I am personally quite sure that given the opportunities than Hirvonen has had over the years that Juho could have done more with it. When he is gelled with the car he has a lot of flair and commitment. I hope he can show it this year and that he is not already too old.
As for Bouffier he is quite capable on gravel too, he did a better job than Kubica on Rally Poland last year despite driving a knackered old 207.
I am quite sure Mikko will be better for the rest of the season than he was on Monte, if he isn't then Malcolm may as well bring back his son :laugh:
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by RS
What is it with you rebellious Finns these days? :p A few years ago on this forum some members gave the impression that all Finns were world champion material and if they turned out not to be it was somebody else's fault.
Loeb beat them sensenless for 9 years like they were stray dogs roaming the garbage bins... he broke their spirit and made their arrogance disappear... praise became hate for their once glorified idols...
and on top of that another french took over as the big boss man and treats them like they do not have souls nowadays...
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
Loeb beat them sensenless for 9 years like they were stray dogs roaming the garbage bins... he broke their spirit and made their arrogance disappear... praise became hate for their once glorified idols...
and on top of that another french took over as the big boss man and treats them like they do not have souls nowadays...
Hmmm, I would tone down the language but fundamentally I think you are right that the dominance of the French in recent years has maybe forced some people to be more realistic. Not A.F.F. by the way who started this thread in the first place.
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We can apreciate the achievemts of Loeb and Ogier. The sad thing is that Grönholm was the last Finn with a true fighting spirit + skills
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by COD
We can apreciate the achievemts of Loeb and Ogier. The sad thing is that Grönholm was the last Finn with a true fighting spirit + skills
Yes but he was beaten in an ugly retirement by Loeb while he still had 1-2 years in him....Latvala also has the fighting spirit but he is just reckless i think if he manages to get things together for 1-2 consecutive years he could be champion once like Mcrae if he is lucky and if the contract he has allows him to do so.
Other than that, now that teams do not waste their money and put driving skills above manager tricks we see the true Finish so called talents...an assortment of nobodies...
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Originally Posted by COD
We can apreciate the achievemts of Loeb and Ogier. The sad thing is that Grönholm was the last Finn with a true fighting spirit + skills
Other than that, now that teams do not waste their money and put driving skills above manager tricks we see the true Finish so called talents...an assortment of nobodies...
If they would take talented Finns instead of the favourites of one manager,there would be better Finnish drivers in the championship
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
Loeb beat them sensenless for 9 years like they were stray dogs roaming the garbage bins... he broke their spirit and made their arrogance disappear... praise became hate for their once glorified idols...
and on top of that another french took over as the big boss man and treats them like they do not have souls nowadays...
Loeb didn't break our spirit. 100 000 russian didn't break our spirit. Swedish junior hockey team didn't break our spirit you most certainly won't break our spirit. It is very hard to praise something which isn't good. Have you seen me praising you for example?If we talk about Finnish drivers then yes, Mikko seem to be without a spirit. Latvala however is weird. I don't know why he makes things so complicated for himself. One good stage is followed by two bad ones. One win is followed by two retirements. This year he is having a mental coach!!? Isn't that a last sign that he is his own worst enemy. Then my personal opinion about Juho Hänninen, sorry RS, I have to disagree with you. On ERC level Juho is a champion material. On modern WRC level, Juho is an avarage. Speedwise he won't fight for podiums. I had high hopes for Esapekka Lappi but I'm sad to notice that he didn't gamble but played it safe and enjoy the salary from Skoda. Yes he gets experience but I would love to have an honest answer does he feel any frustration not being a part of WRC or even WRC2? The rest of the artillery we have lack the money. So, what should we praise for now, especially being known what we have used to in the history :mark:
What comes to french super-Sebastiens, well, they are great champions, especially Loeb but Ogier seems unbeatable at this moment.Both guys have earned what they have and I personally have nothing bad to say about either one of them. Although, IMO Ogier is more arrogant than Loeb but I guess it's needed, it's one thing he get's his fuel from. But I also think that Loeb's dominance was bad for WRC and that is not just Finnish opinion, it's a global one. Should Ogier do the same, there is but handfull of hardcore fans left who follow WRC. Everybody else are sitting in the arena with a hotdog watching global rallycross.
Re: Please Mikko, something different this time!! (an open l
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Originally Posted by "N.O.T":39amcvk5
Then my personal opinion about Juho Hänninen, sorry RS, I have to disagree with you. On ERC level Juho is a champion material. On modern WRC level, Juho is an avarage. Speedwise he won't fight for podiums. I had high hopes for Esapekka Lappi but I'm sad to notice that he didn't gamble but played it safe and enjoy the salary from Skoda. Yes he gets experience but I would love to have an honest answer does he feel any frustration not being a part of WRC or even WRC2? The rest of the artillery we have lack the money. So, what should we praise for now, especially being known what we have used to in the history :mark:
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We'll have to agree to disagree on Juho. I repeat that it might now be too late for him, but I still think he would have had a better career than Mikko given the same chances. Mikko has a lot to thank Malcolm Wilson for, indeed Latvala does too.
As for Lappi, have you not been following developments in WRC the last year or so? There are some guys around now; Neuville, Meeke, Hanninen, Mikelssen, Bouffier... where did they come from? I honestly place learning to drive above learning the rallies :)
