Swedish Rally 2010

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Yes, they have 36 mm restrictor (2 mm bigger than WRC) and some other changes like less weight. These cars were driven for example by García-Ojeda or Pons in Asturias.

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Why they are then slower than S2000 cars, 400 Hp is very big power, also less weight. They are 0.5-1 sec/km slower than S2000 cars, then you look Barum Rally and you can see that Pech is 0.5-1.5 sec slower than S2000 cars.
Pech has 32mm restrictor(only ~300 Hp instead 400 Hp like in Spain) and more weight than Spanis Super Gr.N cars.

Also i think that Ojeda and Pons are not slow drivers, so why there is no difference in times per km?


Sorry for offtopic, but i am interested why this cars make same time as regular Gr.N cars.

Much better handling, brakes, gearbox etc. is more important in rally like Asturias, Sanremo etc. Those Spanish gr.N cars are still much heavier than S2000, have weaker brakes and worse suspension. They can't compensate this significant disadvantage by power when there are almost no straights. On the other hand Barum is very fast, by average speed it's similar like Finland or Sweden on tarmac.

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Originally Posted by EavesFan09

Obviously not all drivers will be eligible to take points, but I am fairly sure all I am talking about is not so much the eligibility of certain drivers to score, as the eligibility of the cars within the JWRC, SWRC, PWRC and WRC.

'Class' and 'group' for me is not enough for a new fan of rallying to understand how best to understand quickly and easily which driver/team combo will be doing what championship. If that fan could understand which cars are eigible for what championship then that would aid them to better understand and quicker who will be doing what. For example I didn't know Kari Hytonen will be doing Sweden but because he will be doing it in a Suzuki Swift I am sure it is in the JWRC.

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Nobody seems to have patience enough to make this clear. I'll try to make it short.

Not everyone in the entry list is participating to a series like jwrc or swrc. Most of the field are driving one off competitions like Kari Hytönen in his Swift. He is definitely not a junior driver! ;)

If you take a look at Swedens entry list, only those that have a number (1, 2 or 3) in the last column are participating in wrc, swrc or pwrc championship series, Sweden is not a jwrc competition at all.

Clear?

Too bad that Grondal drives a Group N instead of his WRC.

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Much better handling, brakes, gearbox etc. is more important in rally like Asturias, Sanremo etc. Those Spanish gr.N cars are still much heavier than S2000, have weaker brakes and worse suspension. They can't compensate this significant disadvantage by power when there are almost no straights. On the other hand Barum is very fast, by average speed it's similar like Finland or Sweden on tarmac.

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So if cars like this in Spain would be driven on Barum Rally then it will be fast as S2000 cars or faster?

I guess yes.

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Originally Posted by MartijnS

Too bad that Grondal drives a Group N instead of his WRC.

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Even if Grøndal`s S10 still is a good car, it is not competitive in a wrc rally. If I got Donaldson right on radio from MC Anders was trying to put together a drive in PWRC with an N2010.

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Originally Posted by Sarac330d

Why they are then slower than S2000 cars, 400 Hp is very big power, also less weight. They are 0.5-1 sec/km slower than S2000 cars, then you look Barum Rally and you can see that Pech is 0.5-1.5 sec slower than S2000 cars.
Pech has 32mm restrictor(only ~300 Hp instead 400 Hp like in Spain) and more weight than Spanis Super Gr.N cars.

Also i think that Ojeda and Pons are not slow drivers, so why there is no difference in times per km?


Sorry for offtopic, but i am interested why this cars make same time as regular Gr.N cars.

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Sorry to other guys to bring this off topic more, but here are a couple of interesting videos of the Fabia vs. Spanish Grp Ns. Even on a fast race circuit with smooth surface and wide roads you can see the Fabia has the edge despite much lower torque and power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lnMOnMaSoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juUEKdp0aDI

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Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

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His s12b is blue.