This season has been a horrible showing for the team. I hope that the rumours about them leaving are not true.
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This season has been a horrible showing for the team. I hope that the rumours about them leaving are not true.
If we didn't have just 3 manufacturers, I'd love to see Neuville and Tanak abandon Hyundai and see Hyundai quit in embarassment. They deserve nothing for being such an amateur village team (borrowing NOT's definitions).Quote:
Originally Posted by masa90
Zero faith in them in improving the car at any time.
Perhaps hyundai could ask Msport to build their car and run their team. They clearly can't do it themself.
Does it tell anything that Hyundai only have just enough cars? Thierry and Ott have contested every round in the same cars despite issue after issue. Oliver's Monte hotbox has not been used again, second burnt in Croatia, third car shared with Dani since. In the past they had at least different cars for the long hauls.
Compare to Toyota who have 2 cars for each 4/5 drivers, none of which have been destroyed. M-Sport doing some sort of rotation but have a 4th and customer capacity.
I just hope we don’t get to an October 2019 type of situation where we see Hyundai announce leaving WRC effective immediately after 2022.
Sounds from this that they have a limited budget. Maybe the only way the HQ would agree to keep the team in WRC and partly why Adamo quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
There are some pretty bad signs, also looking like Citroen last years.
- "big boss" kicked for failing
- "engineer" with seemingly little authority to make big decisions takes over and stays om the job
- low number of cars/starters (3 only, paying guys told to go elsewhere)
- "cheap" lineup ( talking about Sordo/Solberg here, Sordo said it's his last season and Solberg certainly doesn't get big salary)
Let's hope they improve and Hyundai waits at least another year, given the invested money.
A positive sign is that the Rally2 now starts to look both competetive and reliable. Should prbly hope new Skoda doesn't best it too much.
Hyundai need a leader, that knows what is important and not, to get a good fast and reliable car.
And they need it now!
Well Loriaux should know, but somehow that doesn't seem to make enough difference.
Yeah but the question is, for how long both Neuville & Tänak are willing to put up with it? And where would they go, assuming Tänak doesn’t want to retire after this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...ally/10328403/
At least Hyundai Motorsport deputy team director Julien Moncet, acknowledges this, hopefully they’ll do something about it and improve it before it’s too late.
Loriaux worked before at M-Sport. They are not better this weekend. Maybe he is the reason of Hyunday problems…Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So, any chance of Hyundai fixing those reliability issues before the end of the year, or should they just start focusing on their 2023 version of their car? (Assuming they don’t quit).
One thing that shows team's difference is that Neuville and Tanak have used the same cars on all rallies so far. Toyota guys(every driver) have used two different cars..
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/m...ions/10330085/
You guys think Moncet will continue beyond this year? (assuming he's until the end of this year).
He is just taking up what was left to him from the previous administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
It sounds a lot like Safari Rally was the final straw and some serious action is about to be taken by several areas of the team/organisation.
Thing is this is nothing new within that teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But after the high of Tanak's win in Sardinia, this new low has hit even harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
That win was a lucky win, had not the stage been cancelled it would of been business as usual, but his pace was there or there about, even in safari as well.
Why not have a talk with Petter and Pernilla they have good practice from rally and rallycross at world championship level at 110%. They are good at building a team and have people love their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Well to lighten up all the doom in this thread we have so far not seen any clear speed/drivability issues (over more than a few stages).
So it is possible that the car can still be very good. Question might be how long it takes and whether Hyundai commits the necessary resources, gives up, or tries to run things half-way.
Thinking about how Hyundai vs Toyota looked in first half of 2017 (Hyundai clearly best) vs 2018/2019 (Toyota definitely best).
It won't work with Oliver in the same team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordini
After watching the "Team Solberg" reality/documentary from last year it was clear that Petter made all kind of mess in that role, seemingly mostly due to the struggles between father role and other roles and first when he was "kicked" after Greece/Finland it improved.
The mere fact that Petter and Pernilla can't even leave their little darling alone for recce proves that he has little to no idea of what would be required for running a team with over 200 staff and a significant budget. How's oliver's career going, eh?
HMSG is a business. And a very large one.
It's clear he's not even doing a very good job of managing his son.....
Is it possible that Hyundai withdraw from wrc at the end of this year??
I would say so. Hope that they stay though.
IMO they have to go all-in if they're to have any hope of challenging Toyota. If not they may as well quit asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Although his car was later disqualified, it was a very very emotional Oliver Solberg when he took the win at the Euro RX1 in Holjes.
"Its been so hard. Finally, FINALLY, a win ! "
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWwarC-X...jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWwarERX...jpg&name=large
New 3 year deal announced with Shell https://twitter.com/hmsgofficial/sta...6u-8JN98HsIEig
Sounds promising for the future of the team staying in the WRC.
Really good news!
Not so sure it means much.
Citroen decided to leave at once when Ogier left, even with signed contracts.
VW left even after funding whole development of 2017 car and even run tests with the car after it was announced that they are leaving.
And when you look how is the mood/atmosphere among the crew members, you realize things aren't good. Also you notice that a few members that work behind the scenes (not talking about drivers, engineers, etc) are leaving the team, you start to question yourself...
Apparently crisis meeting has been held with Hyundai bosses and with Tänak/Neuville. Moncet wasn't invited....
Tänak ja Neuville pidasid Hyundai bossidega kriisikoosolekut, tiimipealik jäeti kõrvale - Delfi Sport
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/1200...-jaeti-korvale
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the article is written based on this https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/press...ithin-hyundai/
Again with the Adamo....
Jesus he must have given the a LOT of money when he was at Hyundai...
I never understood why they never hired an Adamo successor. Is it so difficult? Aren’t there people in this world engaged to motorsport and leadership?
Maybe they have and that person is in post and serving out notice in his/her current position.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
So, any news regarding Moncet following that meeting he wasn’t invited to?
If Paddon wins (which I know is unlikely) in Estonia with his Rally2 machine, and Oliver Solberg does horribly wrong, are their any chances they'll let Paddon drive the Rally1 car for Finland or is that just wishful thinking?