I wont and nor will most existing RX fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Look at the issue with F1 since it went hybrid... they're having to bring back more noise.
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I wont and nor will most existing RX fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Look at the issue with F1 since it went hybrid... they're having to bring back more noise.
Yep, but it's a case of evolve or die. I don't particularly like it but I think that within my lifetime (hopefully another 50 or so years) traditional motorsport will cease to exist, may as well accept that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Not a big shock that Bakkerud has joined EKS but will be interesting to see if he remains a Monster 'athlete' seeing as EKS has Red Bull logos all over their trucks etc. Good news for the title fight though.
Eddie, have you been to many Rallycross events?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Ever watched at Lydden it Brands?... if so, you’ll recognise that you can’t hear the cars for most of the lap anyway.
And what about Formunl E?... spectators turn up for that and enjoy it.
So what makes you so sure it will kill the sport?
I'm still very much on the fence with regards to the electric cars. I love the spectacle of the current Supercars, but I can see how good a fit for rallycross electric could be, they seem to be drawing a lot of manufacturer interest and it seems like the electric cars will be just as fast as the existing Supercars.
If the advert of electric is sensibly implemented it could work for everyone. The World Championship becomes an upper tier for manufacturers, while the traditional Supercar lives on in a more accessible European Championship. The World Championship goes to the venues that provides the biggest spectacle for the sponsors and manufacturers, while the Euros stick with the traditional circuits.
That aside, the line up for 2018 is starting to hit decent numbers. With Cometoyou Racing now confirming a full World RX campaign (with two ex-EKS S1's) we should have at least 12 permanent entries in the World Championship.
I'm affraid if we they go all electric the tracks with less infrastructure and capasity like Höljes would be dropped, because it takes quite a lot to charge 40 cars all weekend i would believe
Of course you cant hear when the cars are far away, but the thrill when you can hear them is amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Some people will watch anything if its in their city but most arent big fans of the sport. They wont be travelling a long way or even from abroad to watch (like some RX fans do).
Formula E is nothing.
Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If formula E is nothing, why has is got more manufacturer teams and financial backing than RX?
Not sure how much you know about motorsport outside of rallying, but Formula E is big already and it will only grow. (I’m not a fan of it by the way, but I can’t believe someone can ignore its enormous early growth and future potental).
Why on earth do you think RX is going electric only?
You mind me asking, which rallycross circuits you have spectated at?
Cheers.
Electric may be the future but I dont see it carrying over the current fans in numbers. Or if it does they wont love it like they have the petrol series.
Kids dont love cars and driving these days and I dont see silent cars doing anything to attract them to motorsport.
Actually not sure if they would dare to remove Höljes and Loheac from the calendar, those are by far the most popular events. I think the promoter would rather spend some extra money helping out with the charging process at Höljes than getting rid of the festival it has become. After all, the festival-style is what they are aiming for with each RX-Event.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Formula E is nothing.[/QUOTE]
Mobile generators?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
they wont love it like they have the petrol series.
How do you know this already?
Or are you just basing your assumptions on your personal feelings?
Which rallycross tracks have you spectated at Eddie?
Croft, Lydden Hill and Pembrey.
OFF TOPIC: Ignoring the argument about electric, I would urge you get to a European round(s) if you can. Far better spectacle and atmosphere than circuits in the UK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Originally Posted by tbtstt
Not so sure pal, Lydden is excellent, Brands (unfortunately, used to be) incredible.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Then you'll know, Eddie, that the only time you really get a sense of the noise, is when they leave the start. I get what you are saying about the younger generation not being into cars though... that's probably going to be the biggest challenge for motor sport to overcome, regardless of the type of vehicle racing.
Lydden is excellent, it's by far the best of the UK circuits that I have been to and the viewing from around the circuit is excellent...Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
...but the atmosphere and crowd participation at events in Europe is vastly superior to the UK (plus entry is a lot cheaper as well). I would like to do one (or both) of the Northern European rounds in the next couple of years, as I imagine the atmosphere is even still better at those.
I was told by an old rallycross fan a few years ago that spectating in Europe was a much better experience. I wasn't convinced at first but I'm bloody glad I listened to him now, as he was spot on!
I must admit, from an atmosphere point-of-view, I went to a circuit in Belgium years ago (an old go-kart track - tiny place) and it was superb! The Euro's certainly know how to enjoy a good rallycross day out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbtstt
I agree, but the point is that there will shortly be little alternative, so you either watch electric motorsport or you stop watching motorsport. World RX is obviously ahead of the curve, and possibly a little too soon, but internal combustion will soon be limited to being 'classic' as so few manufacturers will be willing to get on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
BTW as I understand it the 'main' championship will be RXE, but I suspect that one of the support races will basically be Supercars (most likely the European champs will remain that way for longer).
I'm planning to try either Hell, Loheac or Latvia this season. I have zero desire to show any support for 'Speedmachine' and will probably head to Santa Pod that weekend for drag racing instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbtstt
Btw what have we got confirmed for this year?
VW - Johan & Petter
EKS - Ekstrom & Bakkerud
MJP - 2 cars?
Chicherit
Peugeot (still not confirmed if with Hansen but Loeb probably involved?)
Sounds like Glosso or Mandes!Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Cometoyou have bought 2 cars, if they will run 2, or run 1 with one spare I didn't quite understand from the press release.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Maasmechelen? Yeah, I have done Mettet for the last three years and the Belgium crowd really get into it! Lydden has the best choice of viewpoints of any circuit I have been to, but it isn't the most technical track. The gradually shrinking loose sections aren't great either. That said I will still be at every rallycross event there this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Yeah, that's how I understand it as well. As I said in my previous post, if they implement it sensibly, they should be able to please everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
I am planning to do Barcelona, Mettet and Loheac again. I have been looking at Hell as its a much easier event to get to than Holjes. Riga is a very easy one to fly into as well, as I understand the circuit is close to the airport.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
I am intending to go to Silverstone for the British Championship round (and potentially the GRC if the rumours are to be believed) but, like you, "Speedmachine" is not part of my plans for 2018 at the moment.
So far I have counted:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
GCK - Renault Megane RS RX - Guerlain Chicherit (Confirmed World RX)
GCK - Renault Megane RS RX - ? (Confirmed World RX)
Peugeot Sport? - Peugeot 208 - Sebastien Loeb (Confirmed World RX, team car numbers and team name unknown)
EKS RX - Audi S1? - Mattias Ekstrom (Confirmed World RX)
EKS RX - Audi S1? - Andreas Bakkerud (Confirmed World RX)
PSRXVW - Volkswagen Polo - Johan Kristoffersson (Likely World RX, no official confirmation)
PSRXVW - Volkswagen Polo - Petter Solberg? (Likely World RX, no official confirmation yet)
Comtoyou Racing - Audi S1 - ? (Confirmed World RX)
Comtoyou Racing - Audi S1 - ? (Confirmed World RX)
Gronhom RX - Hyundai i20 - ? (Probably World RX)
Gronhom RX - Hyundai i20 - ? (Probably World RX)
MJP Racing - Ford Fiesta - ? (Probably World RX, team car numbers unknown)
Xite Racing - Ford Fiesta - Oliver Bennett (Confirmed selected World RX)
G-FORS - Renault Clio RS RX - Jere Kalliokoski (Confirmed Euro RX)
G-FORS - Renault Clio RS RX - ? (Confirmed Euro RX)
Probably been posed before but here's the future... enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeD56BnI-o
sad :(Quote:
Originally Posted by fast eddie wrc
Ha ha.... get a grip man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Do you think they won’t have more power than that?
Do you think a rallycross race will involve only one car?
The future is more power, manufacturer-led technology and more than one car on a track during a race.
To say that video is the future is pathetic.
If you read the description of the video it did actually set a new track record and from what i can see from a quick search, supercars has been driven there so the torque is probably higher, it does handle really strange here though. How they sound is what Eddie wants to show.
No need to point out the obvious, we get it.
Yes, LED is the future...
As far as having huge generators running all weekend it does defy the purpose of going electric, Formula E doesn't have this issue i guess since they are always in some big city. But even here in Norway you have the lights flashing at night because the whole neighbourhood are charging their car....
Te official technical datas are 544hp and 880NM torque, as SubaruNorway mentioned, Manfred Stohl won race of austrian champions with this car 2017 with new track record vs supercars and WRCs...still boring to watch Imho....
Formula E did use diesel generators and brought containers' worth of batteries to supply the cars and the parc ferme here in Buenos Aires. The whole thing was sponsored by Eneloop. They don't use the local power grid too much. I'm certain that the least of the problems that RX would have with adapting to electric cars would be the charging logistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
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I see, it would be interesting to know the difference in pollution by running electric cars with generators and a regular combustion engine.
Because to me that sounds a bit like sweeping the dirt under the carpet...
Im kinda excited about e-RX. I LOVE the sound and stuff... but hey, gimme something new. Lets see how it goes.
MotoGP will have an electric Class next year too. Manufacturers said they are not interested, but big car brands also said that about FormulaE before season 1. Its all about the marketing... And we are heading into this electric engines thing so...
Then I believe we'll hear about a MXGP electric class.... and, YES, SORRY... a top WRC electric class.
I'm sorry, I got extremely confused! I remembered seeing Cummins diesel generators, but the real story is much more convincing. I doubted what I said as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
It turns out that to produce the energy for the cars they use diesel generators converted to utilize glycerine as fuel, a byproduct of biodiesel production. The actual generation of the energy is emission free.
Here is the article http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2...free-charging/
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Who bought the 3 car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
And where do you find the information about cometoyou ?
https://www.autosport.com/wrx/news/1...world-rx-entryQuote:
Originally Posted by NoName
Benoît Tréluyer and Enzo Ide rumoured to be the drivers.
Looking at the emissions of the traditional cars versus the electric cars is rather missing the main selling point in terms of the Championship. Electric rallycross potentially offers a platform for manufacturers to directly relate future electric/hybrid showroom models to motorsport. Even if the motorsport fan knows the connection between the two is tenuous, its a link that no other motorsport is able to offer at the moment.
As for electric WRC, I can think of several factors that mean we're a long way off from that at present. Events would have to be radically restructured to accommodate electric in the WRC.
Looks quick, sounds crap but not nearly as bad as I expected. I find it difficult to get beyond the fact that electric motors offer instantaneous torque, that's so suited to rallycross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Actually, I was surprised..(I didn't mind with that)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
The title should be "WRX to having electric class as the top class."
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https://www.autosport.com/wrx/news/1...witch-for-2020
9 Manufacturers want in so I guess that's the way to get there....
interesting article, potential for World (or at least some form of international) Supercar Championship as well? A minimum 15 car entry is a decent basis for the switch to electric.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I wonder what the 'tuning' situation would be for electric engines... how would they differ from each other and how would they be controlled by the authorities ?
I think this will largely be limited by the single-source batteries, other than that it's all a bit beyond me what an electric motor involves. I guess that it's about reducing energy loss rather than increasing the 'bang'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It looks that the electric supercars will be more like RX2 (Lites) and the ELITE Andros Trophy cars...
http://speedhunters-wp-production.s3...7-1200x800.jpg
A spec rollcage/tubes then the manufacturers bring their "bubbles'' to make the car's desing (And it looks they can add more aerodynamics, like in WRC and GT cars). I dont see anywhere they saying they will continue with the current "production based" cars with the roll cage inside
right?